Minutes of Atlantic UBL TC call 2 August 2006

MINUTES OF ATLANTIC UBL TC MEETING
15:00 - 17:00 UTC WEDNESDAY 2 AUGUST 2006

ATTENDANCE

Jon Bosak (chair)

Mavis Cournane

Betty Harvey

G. Ken Holman

Andy Schoka

Paul Thorpe

STANDING ITEMS

Additions to the calendar:

http://ibiblio.org/bosak/ubl/calendar.htm

MC: Add ATG2 meeting.

Tri-XML (GKH)

GKH: Keynote was well received.  Got an interesting question

about separate delivery addresses per line item.

Review of Pacific call

No comments.

MONTREAL AGENDA

PT: Add me to the participant list.

MC: UN/CEFACT item should be scheduled at a time when TM can

participate.

ACTION: JB to contact TM and find a time for the UN/CEFACT

report earlier in the week.

JB: Which was that latest version of GKH's paper on

customization methodology?

GKH: 0.4 was the last:

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=18849

Note that this is the cleanest way to reference any document,

because it shows all the revisions:

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=NNNNN

We should start using the revision feature and cite all of our

documents this way.

NDR

The document itself

JB: Had terrible time separating the checklist from the rest

of the document.

MC: Yes, there are horrible [mechanical] problems with the

document.

JB: SW has suggested that this is due to change-related

cruft maintained in the MSWord format.  OK to get rid of

past changes?

MC: Would be happy with that.

JB: Is the checklist generated?

MC: No, just copy and paste.  No need to maintain changes;

we do a separate change log.

GKH: Have posted a docbook model and stylesheets: Weds 12

july "Docbook-based OASIS template...":

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200607/msg00054.html

BH: Could convert the doc to docbook; that would allow

generation of the checklist.  Have a script that could be

adapted to this.

ACTION: MC to send the latest version of the NDR doc to BH;

BH to consider changes to her script that would take Word to

docbook and try for something to use by the meeting in

Montr�al.

MC: Have done a lot of editing over the last few weeks but

have received no feedback.

IND7 (UBLVersionID)

GKH: Never realized till the 19th that we had instance rules

in NDRs. Feel that there is no role for instance rules in

NDRs; these are rules for transforming the abstract model

into schema; business rules for instances are more than just

NDRs.

JB: What are the rules for instances in the NDRs?

AS: IND1-IND7.

GKH: You cannot implement using schema the requirement that

the version of the schema must be found as an element in the

instance.

JB: That is, you can require the element, but you can't

verify its content.  So in IND7, it's the last sentence that

GKH is objecting to.

MC: SW requested this.

GKH: Presumably because FX supports instances.

AGREED that the last sentence of IND7 should be moved into

the text as an expectation rather than a requirement.

AGREED that we should put the question of instance rules in

the NDRs on the agenda for Montr�al and consider putting

all the instance rules into a separate document covering

best practices.

JB: Now regarding the IND7 issue per se (minoccurs=0 rather

than minoccurs=1 as intended)...

GKH: It should remain minoccurs=0 because it's not possible

to enforce; you could just leave the element empty.  I

thought this should be optional anyway because it can't be

validated.

MC: It should be 1.

AGREED that holding to minoccurs=1 per the current language

in the NDRs would be a substantive change to the schemas.

GKH: Making it optional goes with the original motivation

for having the version element.  E.g., the NES could choose

to make it mandatory in their subset.

JB/MC: Our feeling depends on whether this is the one issue

that would force another public review.

AGREED to resolve this in Montr�al.

ACTION ITEM REVIEW

None pending.

OTHER BUSINESS

JB: Note that this will be the last Atlantic TC call till 30

August.

MC: Is the Singapore meeting date definite?

JB: Yes.

ACTION: JB to obtain a copy of the latest NDRs from ATG.

Jon Bosak
Chair, OASIS UBL TC