David RR Webber (XML) wrote:
> Farrukh,
> On review this morning seems like we have a Gartner magic quadrant in
> the making here around this term "system of record" solutions - no
> point in knocking on whether this is a good term or not - if Gartner
> et al have spoken then I guess we have to embrace and extend!
This is good news. Can you please send any links to that. Thanks for
sharing.
I did use the "System of Record" term with them and other analysts when
I briefed them on Sun Service Registry
a couple of years back.
> My worry was that the average person would not have much sense of what
> this term implies - and be turned off - but if the CIOs/CTOs are being
> indoctrinated on it - then the baton is then over to us to explain the
> complete picture from our perspective - and the value add.
I agree. Many people now understand this term at least at a high level.
I think we can provide a complete picture
during the course of the presentation.
Thanks for the valuable input.
> Cheers, DW
>
> "The way to be is to do" - Confucius (551-472 B.C.)
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [regrep] Title suggestion for Webinar
> From: "Farrukh S. Najmi" <>
> Date: Sat, May 12, 2007 6:54 pm
> To: "David RR Webber (XML)" <>
> Cc: ebXML Regrep <>
>
> David,
>
> With due respects, my main point based on seven years of intense and
> focused practical deployment experience with regrep is that regrep's
> main purpose in life is as a "System of Record" and that is not "just
> one isolated use case for Registry". I believe that is true in
> "geospatial coordination, secure patient record federation, semantic XML
> content, document cataloguing, and so on".
>
> I made it clear in my original suggestion that I will make it clear
> during the presentation that RegRep's uses are way more than SOA.
> However, SOA is the focus of our presentation as I recall to be agreed
> by the TC.
>
> Therefor with due respects, I still feel the following is the best title:
>
> "
> OASIS ebXML Registry and Repository
> The System of Record for SOA Governace
> "
>
> If necessary, I am willing to live with:
>
> "
> OASIS ebXML Registry and Repository
> The System of Record for SOA Deployments
> "
>
> David RR Webber (XML) wrote:
> > Farrukh,
> > My point is that "system of record" is just one isolated use case for
> > Registry.
> > I see that registry is being used for geospatial coordination, secure
> > patient record federation, semantic XML content, document cataloguing,
> > and so on.
> > The SOA system of record is IMHO way too narrow here. The ebxml
> > registry is not just a UDDI look-a-like for SOA as its main purpose...
> > Of course the real SOA use case here is articulated by OASIS BCM
> > spec's and registry model - but then we'd have to explain BCM first
> ; -)
> > Anyway - you all are doing the present not me - I guess next time I
> > can sign up to do
> > "ebXML Registry - Beyond SOA System of Record"
> > ; -)
> > DW
> >
> > "The way to be is to do" - Confucius (551-472 B.C.)
> >
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: [regrep] Title suggestion for Webinar
> > From: "Farrukh S. Najmi" < <#Compose>>
> > Date: Sat, May 12, 2007 1:32 pm
> > To: "David RR Webber (XML)" < <#Compose>>
> > Cc: ebXML Regrep < <#Compose>>
> >
> >
> > Based on my customer experience, Governance is the most pressing
> > need in SOA today
> > and fortunately that is precisely where RegRep helps the most.
> >
> > "Enabling" is too fuzzy and does not capture the central role that
> > RegRep plays in SOA which is
> > that it is "The System of Record" for SOA deployments. My wife
> > acuses me of being an "enabler"
> > for my children's delinquencies ;-)
> >
> > You can see that point being drilled home by practically anyone
> > who is selling a SOA Repository:
> >
> >
> > Infravio:
> > "Create a *system of record* for your SOA metadata – policies,
> > schema, .docs, performance *..."
> > *<http://www1.webmethods.com/PDF/datasheets/Infravio_X-Registry_Datasheet.pdf>*
> >
> > *Systinet:*
> > *"Systinet provides the “*system of record*” for SOA and *...*
> > Must provide the “*system* *of record*”"
> > <http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/17235/Systinet%20Registry%20NASA%20Presentation%203-15-06.pdf>
> >
> > IBM WSRR:
> > "In this context, *WSRR* handles the metadata management aspects
> > of operational services and provides the *system of record* of
> > these metadata artefacts "
> > <http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/sr/v6r0/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.sr.doc/cwsr_overview_overview04.html>
> >
> > BEA:
> > "The BEA AquaLogic Service Registry, through an embedded
> > governance framework, acts as a central location for managing the
> > services life cycle. It makes an SOA more transparent by serving
> > as the *system of record* where services..."
> > <http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/BEAS/124821163x0x84099/9502bab0-de1a-4a7c-b20a-292459a97a24/q3BEA%20At%20A%20Glance.pdf>
> > "It provides a *system-of-record* for these policies and is used
> > to define and enforce business policies. enlarge. AquaLogic
> > Service *Registry* is employed *..."*
> > <http://es.bea.com/products/aqualogic/service_registry>
> >
> > Oracle:
> > "leverage *Oracle* Service *Registry* to publish and advertise
> > services and enable *...* It also serves as the *System of Record*
> > for all. "
> > <http://www.oracle.com/technologies/soa/oracle-soa-suite-datasheet.pdf
> > >
> >
> > Tibco:
> > "TIBCO ActiveMatrix *Registry* is a standards-. based *system of
> > record* for discovering, *...*"
> > <http://www.tibco.com/resources/software/soa/ds_activematrix_*registry*.pdf>
> >
> > Actional:
> > "A SOA *system of record*, or *registry*, is designed to be a
> > central holding place for information about service consumers,
> > providers, policies, *...*"
> > <http://www.actional.com/resources/webinars/SOA-Lifecycle/SOA-System.html
> > >
> >
> > IONA:
> > "Artix *Registry*/Repository enables customers to design, build,
> > deploy and manage a network of business services by providing a
> > complete *system of record* of *...**"*
> > <http://www.iona.com/pressroom/2007/20070326.htm >
> >
> > SOA Software:
> > "All SOA Software products rely on an underlying UDDIv3 *Registry*
> > as a core repository and *system of record* for service data. The
> > product are all fully *..."
> > <*www.soa.com/index.php/section/products/*registry*_manager/ <http://www.soa.com/index.php/section/products/*registry*_manager/>>
> >
> >
> > For this reason I feel *very strongly* about "The System of
> > Record" part of the title as that is precisely the role of RegRep
> > in SOA.
> >
> > If the term "governance" is an issue then how about:
> >
> > "
> > OASIS ebXML Registry and Repository
> > The System of Record for SOA Deployments
> > "
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > David RR Webber (XML) wrote:
> >> Farrukh,
> >> You need something catchy, short and to the point -
> >> OASIS ebXML Registry Repository - enabling SOA solutions
> >> Since OASIS is the sponsor - no need to muddy the waters with
> >> inserting ISO too.
> >> Also - the aim should be to catch peoples interest - and have
> >> them attend - not drive them away!!!
> >> So your title is to specific - what if the reader thinks - "huh -
> >> my business needs are nothing to do with "governance" - my CFO
> >> just wants me to help sales of more widgets".
> >> Perhaps I do need to understand possible "SOA solutions" for that.
> >> Think marketing - not technobabble ; -)
> >> DW
> >>
> >> "The way to be is to do" - Confucius (551-472 B.C.)
> >>
> >>
> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject: Re: [regrep] Title suggestion for Webinar
> >> From: "Farrukh S. Najmi" < <#Compose>>
> >> Date: Fri, May 11, 2007 3:48 pm
> >> To: "David RR Webber (XML)" < <#Compose>>
> >> Cc: ebXML Regrep < <#Compose>>
> >>
> >> What exactly is a "Service Oriented Arcitecture
> Architectures" and how
> >> is it better than
> >> "Service Oriented Arcitecture"?
> >>
> >>
> >> David RR Webber (XML) wrote:
> >> > Farrukh,
> >> >
> >> > Seems to pigeon hole you too much.
> >> >
> >> > What about - "OASIS ebXML Registry Repository - enabling SOA
> >> > architectures.
> >> >
> >> > DW
> >> >
> >> > "The way to be is to do" - Confucius (551-472 B.C.)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -------- Original Message --------
> >> > Subject: [regrep] Title suggestion for Webinar
> >> > From: "Farrukh S. Najmi"
> < <#Compose> <#Compose>>
> >> > Date: Fri, May 11, 2007 12:39 pm
> >> > To: ebXML Regrep < <#Compose>
> <#Compose>>
> >> >
> >> > Dear colleagues,
> >> >
> >> > I would like to propose the following title:
> >> >
> >> > "
> >> > OASIS ebXML Registry and Repository
> >> >
> >> > The System of Record for SOA Governance
> >> > "
> >> >
> >> > Note that "Record" in prioposed title implies any
> type of
> >> information.
> >> >
> >> > This title focuses the presentation on use of RegRep
> as a SOA
> >> Repository
> >> > and key enabler for SOA Governance.
> >> >
> >> > We can make sure we explain upfront that RegRep can
> support many
> >> other
> >> > diverse use cases but that the
> >> > presentation will focus on this specific one to make
> it more
> >> concrete
> >> > for this use case.
> >> >
> >> > Please let me know what you think of the title. Also
> is it too
> >> late for
> >> > us to change to Webinar title to match whatever we
> decide?
> >> >
> >> > Carl, Nikola and I will work on the draft slides and
> plan to
> >> have an
> >> > initial slide deck for team review by next TC meeting.
> >> > Nikola and I got start on this earlier this week.
> Thanks.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Farrukh
> >> >
> >> > Web: http://www.wellfleetsoftware.com <http://www.wellfleetsoftware.com/>
> <http://www.wellfleetsoftware.com/>
> >> <http://www.wellfleetsoftware.com/>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards,
> >> Farrukh
> >>
> >> Web: http://www.wellfleetsoftware.com <http://www.wellfleetsoftware.com/>
> <http://www.wellfleetsoftware.com/>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Farrukh
> >
> > Web: http://www.wellfleetsoftware.com <http://www.wellfleetsoftware.com/>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Farrukh
>
> Web: http://www.wellfleetsoftware.com <http://www.wellfleetsoftware.com/>
>
>
>
>
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Regards,
Farrukh
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