[xacml] XACML March 21, 2002 Minutes

Title: XACML Conference Call Minutes

XACML
Conference Call

Date:  Thursday, March 21, 2002 

Time: 10:00 AM EST 

Tel: 512-225-3050 Access Code: 65998 

Minutes of Meeting

 

Summary

We did not have quorum and as a result closed issues and previous
minutes could not be voted on. We reviewed issues from last call and F2F. There
are still a couple outstanding action items from those. The next Face to Face
will be either in Milan or Northern California. Carlisle will be
sending out a poll to determine the preferred location and dates. The proposed
dates include the beginning and end of the week of April 22 and a proposal to
go 2 ½ days. We will be closing the policy model subcommittee and switching
discussion to XML Schema. The new subcommittee will meet at the same time on
Mondays, but needs a new chair. In order to move forward, though all policy
model issues on the issues list need to be officially closed which means they
need formal proposed resolutions and voting to close them. The next conference
call in two weeks will be critical to have quorum so we can close these. If
not, we need to immediately move to email voting and try and get them closed.

 

Action
Items

 
Simon to send presentation from F2F3 to Michiharu
     for website

 
Anne to propose a new resolution to PM 2-05

 
[Hal, Konstantin] Produce XACML "primer"
     that provides more verbal text describing function and use of the various
     element types.  

 
Carlisle will send out poll on
     dates for next F2F

 
Carlisle will send out note to
     list noting closing of Policy Subcommittee

 
Ken will update issues list so we can vote on
     closed issues for April 4th. Collect and send out email to make
     sure none that have been missed.

 
Ernesto would look into pseudocode for possible
     candidates

 
Michiharu to post material presented at the last
     F2F meeting on the website

 
Chair needed for new Schema subcommittee

 

Votes

No votes because quorum not achieved

 

 

Proposed Agenda:

10:00-10:10 Roll Call and Agenda Review 

10:10-10:15 Vote to accept minutes of March 7 meeting
and March 11 & 12 F2F meeting 

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/200203/msg00018.html

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/200203/msg00025.html

10:15-10:20 Review of Action Items (see 3/7 & F2F
minutes) 

10:20-10:30 Report of Policy Model Sub-Committee 

10:30-10:45 Discussion of Overall Status 

10:45-11:00 Discussion of location and dates for next
face-to-face meeting

 

Roll Call - Quorum not achieved

Voting Members

Ken Yagen, Crosslogix

Hal Lockhart, Entegrity

Carlisle Adams, Entrust

Tim Moses, Entrust

Michiharu Kudoh, IBM

Suresh Damodaran, Sterling Commerce

Sekhar Vajjhala, Sun Microsystems

Anne Anderson, Sun Microsystems

 

Prospective Members

Konstantin Beznosov, Hitachi

 

Raw Minutes (taken by Ken Yagen)

 

10:12 roll call 7 members so not quorum

 

Review of agenda - removed items that require voting

 

10:16 Review old action items

From 3/11

 
Simon to send presentation to Michiharu for
     website

Not yet

 
James MacLean to take a look at XrML submission
     to MPEG 21

James was not present; Hal has not done anything

 
Ken to update issues list with results of votes

Done

 
Proposed agenda for Face to Face needs to be put
     together (Carlisle)

 
Specific proposal needed to close PM 1-04 (Anne)

Not ready to close; Depends on XML Syntax, so not
ready for a proposal

Reference to attributes in XML predicates

 
PM 2-05 needs to be made consistent with glossary
     (Anne)

Ensuring completeness - Not just a glossary issue so
not ready to close but could be closed if worded properly. If accept that PDP
has one base policy, can be reworded and closed. Anne may go ahead and propose
a new resolution

From F2F

[Tim] Update specification to Version 11, incorporating decisions from
this meeting.

Complete

[Tim, Michiharu] Propose specific set of mathematical operators and
associated syntax appropriate for XACML requirements.  Present at the
subcommittee meeting on March 25, 2002.

To occur next Monday. People should be familiar with v11 and make any
suggestions from that baseline. Mathmatical operators are in v11.

[Hal, Konstantin] Provide more verbal text describing function and use
of the various element types.  To be done after Tim provides Version 11.  The
verbal text might be a type of "primer" on XACML; something to
introduce XML neophytes to the way the language is intended to be used.

Not done yet. Bill Parducci has offered something more visual. 

Konstantin - it could be included in primer.

Tim - could probably substitute them for current schema fragments
in document. If just add them though, document will get larger.

Hal - material can be generated quite easily with a tool from the
XML schema

Carlisle - keeping primer up to date might be a
lot of work

[Carlisle] Determine availability of sites and dates for
next face-to-face meeting.  Date preference order: week of April 15, week of
April 22, week of April 29.  Location preference order:

 
Univ. of Milan (Ernesto,Pierangela)

 
SF Bay area (Ken)

 
Manhattan Beach (Bill)

 
Burlington (Anne, Sekhar).

Constraints: Michiharu not available week of April 29.  Sekhar has
problems with weeks of April 15 or April 22.

[All] Determine acceptability of Univ. of Milan as a site
for the next face-to-face meeting.

 

10:28 Discussion of location and dates for next
face-to-face meeting

Hal - Is some price premium to go to Milan

Ken - checking on availability to host; is 10 minutes from
airport

Anne - April 22/23 Pierangela could host it in Milan

Hal - any conflicts that week? Sekhar had a conflict 

Sekhar - will not be attending that week

Hal - Focus on 2 days 4/22 and 4/23 in either Milan
or California

Tim - What about 2 ½ days? 

Discussion that may be helpful to have half day before or afterwards
and Thurs/Friday may be another option.

Options will be 22/23 or 25/26 with an extra half day. Carlisle
will send out a poll

 

10:36 Report of Policy Model Sub-Committee (Anne) 

Discussion aF2F resolved some issues

V11 to be sent out by Tim

- Ernesto would look into pseudocode for possible candidates. Anne used
pseudocode to explain global deny. This is a new issue. Combiners don't need
to be expressed in formal notation, but the mandatory ones should for
interoperability tests

Carlisle - Spoke with Pierangela about closing
committee and she agrees we have talked about all major topics. Can be closed
down and replaced with Schema details subcommittee. Will send a not out to that
effect but new committee will meet at the same time. Need a new chair -
Pierangela suggested Ernesto as a possibility.

Anne - encourage that close model issues so we know we are done.

Ken will update issues list so we can vote on closed issues for April 4th.
Collect and send out email to make sure none that have been missed.

Hal - some proposals on the list, but some active members have
not been heard from

 

10:42 Discussion of Overall Status 

Drive is to close policy model open issues and meet 4/1 deadline to
move to Schema

 
01 Apr 2002 - Concepts complete,
     begin focus on XML schema 

 
01 Apr 2002 - Liaison statement to
     SAML (include proposal for SAML extensions) 

SAML issues should be in Issues List; if not, people should get them in
there.

 

Discussion between Michiharu and Tim on use of MathML for mathematical
operators and what was included in the v11 document

 

Hal - any specific proposals to close various issues that anyone
would like to discuss.

Can vote on email if are not being cleared fast enough

Carlisle - Oasis calls for 5 working day vote and
need quorum of voters in favor

Tim - Declare to close any issue related to model at next meeting
and make people aware of that so they should be present

Need to get agenda out earlier and highlight fact these will be voted
on

Ken will get issues out early enough that people can review them and be
ready to vote or discuss if there are still issues

Minutes to reflect concern that people participate so we can close out
these Policy Model issues and move forward

 

10:55 Adjourn