Re: [xacml] Potential SAML issues

From
Toshihiro Nishimura <>
Date
2002-01-15T03:57:00+00:00
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Re: [xacml] Potential SAML issues
Hello,

Sekhar Vajjhala - Sun Microsystems wrote:
> ISSUE: saml:Action is a "string"
>
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saml:Action is currently specified as a "string". Making Action
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an abstract type  would allow it to be extended. This would allow
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the content model to be defined by a schema external to the SAML
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spec.
>
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Thus what constitues an action could be determined by the J2SE
> schema.

In SAML, saml:Action is used only in saml:Actions and saml:Actions
have Namespace as an attribute.
So it is possible to write action(s) such as:
  <saml:Actions Namespace="urn:J2SEPermission:java.io.FilePermission">

<saml:Action>write</saml:Action>
  </saml:Actions>
or
  <saml:Actions Namespace="urn:J2SEPermission">

<saml:Action>java.io.FilePermission:write</saml:Action>
  </saml:Actions>

But it will be useful if we can write something like:
  <saml:Action>

<J2SEPermission class="java.io.FilePermission">write</J2SEPermission>
  </saml:Action>
> ISSUE: saml:AuthorizationQuery requires actions.
>
>
If actions are optional for XACML, then why should <saml:Actions>
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be required in <saml:AuthorizationQuery> ? Both the wording in
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the SAML assertions draft as well as the SAML schema place
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such a requirement. saml:Actions should be optional in the
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AuthorizationQuery to accomodate queries without actions.
>
>
At least for now, I don't anticipate this as an issue for J2SE.

In the latest SAML spec (core-25), AuthorizationDecisionQuery element
has Resource attribute and Actions element and both of them are
"required". Does this cause much problems?
(Resource attribute is "optional" for AuthorizationDecisionStatement
element.)

As for J2SE case, I think there is an issue in terminology.
Sekhar wrote::
|
A J2SE permission consists of
|
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a. target
("resource" in XACML terminology )
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b. action
(optional)
(http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/200112/msg00045.html)

In the example of FilePermission, everyone will agreee on that
"/tmp/*" indicates resources(targets) and "read,write" indicates
action(s).

In regard to AWTPermission, the J2SE document says:
| This is in the same spirit as the RuntimePermission; it's a
| permission without actions. The targets for this class are:
|
| accessClipboard
| accessEventQueue
| listenToAllAWTEvents
| showWindowWithoutWarningBanner
(http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4/docs/guide/security/spec/security-spec.doc3.html#20327)

It says that "accessClipboard" is a target, however, I think it is
possible to say "accessClipboard" is an action (in XACML terminology).
> ISSUE: single subject in AuthorizationQuery
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saml:AuthorizationQuery currently only contains a single
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Subject. While a saml:Subject can support multiple NameIdentifier
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or SubjectConfirmation or AssertionSpecifier elements, it
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is required that they all belong to the same principal. So
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a single subject cannot be used for unrelated principals.
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In J2SE, there is a need to base access control on multiple
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principals which are not related and this therefore points to
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to a need for more than one Subject in the saml:AuthorizationQuery
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NOTE: The way out of this appears to be extend
> SubjectQueryAbstractType.

Is this the same issue with ISSUE:[DS-11-01:MultipleSubjectAssertions]
in draft-sstc-saml-issues-06.pdf?

Regards,
Toshi
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NISHIMURA Toshihiro (FAMILY Given)

XML Application Technology Dept., PROJECT-A XML, FUJITSU LIMITED