[xacml] RE: XACML November 29th (not 15th), 2001 Minutes

Title: XACML Conference Call

Sorry, 
the date in the subject was incorrect. These are for the 29th. 

 

Ken Yagen
Director, Software Development
CrossLogix, 
Inc
www.crosslogix.com
  

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Yagen 
Sent: 
Monday, December 10, 2001 3:42 PM
To: XACML 
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Subject: XACML November 15, 2001 Minutes

XACML Conference 
Call

Date:  
Thursday, November 29, 2001 

Time: 10:00 AM EST 

Tel: 512-225-3050 Access Code: 65998 

Minutes of Meeting

 

Summary

Discussed several open action items, then went into 
location for next F2F. Bill has a location in LA if Ken does not come up with a 
choice in the bay area. There was discussion on what successfully using the 
specification means and Carlisle will propose a definition for this. Tim Moses 
distributed a proposed outline for the specification, which was discussed, and 
comments invited. Version 0.8 of the draft specification will use this 
outline.

 

Action Items

  
Hal agreed to ask 
  Karl best to issue a call for intellectual property claims to the oasis 
  membership list. 
  
Bill Parducci 
  offered to convert it (Pierangela’s document) to PDF and distribute it in that 
  form 
  
Bill to distribute 
  details of LA meeting location 
  
Decision on 
  location of next F2F 
  
Carlisle Adams has 
  an action to write a proposed definition for "successfully using the 
  specification". 
  
Bill and Gil 
  agreed to collaborate on exploring this subject (DSLM and ldap profile), and 
  reporting back to the technical committee. 

 

Issue List 
Candidates

 

Votes

None?

 

Raw Minutes (taken by Tim 
Moses)

 

Proposed 
Agenda:

10:00-10:10 Roll Call and Agenda Review 
10:10-10:15 
Vote to accept minutes of November 15 meeting 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/200111/msg00027.html 

10:15-10:25 Review of Action Items (see 11/15 minutes) 
10:25-10:35 
Report of Policy Model Sub-Committee 
10:35-11:00 Discussion of Proposed 
Specification Outline 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/200111/msg00031.html

 

10:05 
Attendance

Voting Members

James MacLean, Affinitex

Hal Lockhart, Entegrity

Fred Moses, Self

Alex Berson, Entrust

Tim Moses, Entrust

Jason Rouault, HP

Christopher McLaren, Netegrity

Bill Parducci, Self

Thomas Hardjono, Verisign

 

Prospective Members

Ernesto Damiani, University of Milan

Sekhar Vajjhala, Sun Microsystems

Anne Anderson, Sun Microsystems

Gilbert Pilz, Jamcracker

 

Item 1 - action items

 

Intellectual property sub-committee - the position of 
chair for the intellectual property sub-committee is still open. Hal called for 
a volunteer. No one stepped forward. Tim moses suggested that we simply make a 
public call for intellectual property holders to identify any ip that they hold 
that may be applicable to xacml. Hal agreed to ask karl best to issue a call for 
intellectual property claims to the oasis membership list.

 

Simon blackwell membership - simon has requested that 
his absence be treated as a formal leave of absence. There are no objections to 
this approach. However, simon was not at this meeting or the last one. So, his 
intentions regarding participation are not clear.

 

Pierangela samarati's contribution on "necessary and 
sufficient" - pierangela has distributed a paper in postscript form, which 
addresses (amongst other things) a proposed alternative to negative policy 
statements. Tim moses could not open the document. So, bill parducci offered to 
convert it to pdf and distribute it in that form.

 

Location for next meeting - bill and ken yagen are 
researching locations for the planned face-to-face meeting in january. Ken was 
not at the meeting. But, bill said he has identified a location in los angeles. 
The dates are tentatively set for 23-24 jan. Hal indicated that we should expect 
attendance of about ten people. Bill was asked to distribute details of the 
location. A decision will be made once we hear from ken concerning possible 
location in the bay area. The location that bill has identified requires 
participants to share the cost. Hal indicated that we have a preference for a 
corporate facility, with no cost.

 

Schedule of work - michiharu has posted the planned 
schedule of work on the web site.

 

Definition of "successfully using the specification" - 
carlisle adams has an action to write a proposed definition for "successfully 
using the specification". The oasis process requires that some number of 
implementations be "successfully using the specification" as a pre-requisite for 
advancing the standard. Tim moses suggested that we could simply describe this 
in the conformance section of the draft. The description would say 
(approximately) that some small number of dozens of test cases will be published 
on the xacml web site. Implementors will claim that they have successfully 
executed the test cases.

 

Item 2 specification outline

 

Tim moses has distributed a proposal for the outline of 
the specification. Participants were invited to comment. It has been suggested 
that a section specifying the operation of the xacml virtual machine should be 
added. Hal felt that it was unclear how this would differ from the material in 
section 4 (language). Gil pilz pointed out that the saml specification does not 
contain this sort of material. However, hal observed that xacml and saml differ 
in character: saml just provides syntax for the assertions, but, xacml has to 
ensure that different implementations come up with the same result. Ernesto 
damiani agreed that this material is an important ingredient.

 

Hal mentioned that he would like to see a more thorough 
description of the data flow model. And, there was some discussion concerning 
the inclusion of the domain model. It was agreed that gil will bring the domain 
model up to date, according to v0.7 of the draft specification. But, it will not 
be incorporated into the draft.

 

Bill parducci brought up the topic of dsml, and its 
relationship to the ldap profile identified in the outline. It was unclear what 
the relationship is (or should be). So, bill and gil agreed to collaborate on 
exploring this subject, and reporting back to the technical committee.

 

It was agreed that v0.8 of the draft specification will 
use the proposed outline.

 

The meeting adjourned.