RE: [wsbpel] Issue 47 and WS-I BP 1.0

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Satish Thatte <>
Date
2003-10-01T18:07:40+00:00
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RE: [wsbpel] Issue 47 and WS-I BP 1.0
I doubt that we can mandate BPEL to be
used with BP 1.0 compliant services only especially given the answer to 1
assuming it is correct, and given that there are many services today that are
not compliant (e.g., RPC encoded ones).

 

From: Ugo Corda [mailto:] 

Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003
10:55 AM

To: Satish
 Thatte; Prasad Yendluri

Cc: BPEL OASIS

Subject: RE: [wsbpel] Issue 47 and
WS-I BP 1.0

 

I see a few separate
issues/questions connected to the relationship of BP 1.0 and BPEL.

 

1- Would BP 1.0 be restricting
BPEL to the point that some of BPEL's functionality would not be available?

 

I cannot think of any such
restriction off the top of my head.

 

2- Would the fact that BP 1.0 only
addresses the SOAP/HTTP binding imply that also BPEL should be limited to that
type of binding?

 

I don't think that anybody would
imply that.

 

3- Should a BPEL process be offered
as a Web service that is BP 1.0 compliant?

 

My answer would be yes.

 

3- Would it be fair to limit BPEL
use to interacting with BP 1.0 compliant Web services only?

 

My personal answer would be yes. But
I am a member of WS-I, and I understand other people might have different
answers.

 

 

Ugo

-----Original
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From: Satish
 Thatte [mailto:]

Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003
10:39 AM

To: Prasad Yendluri

Cc: BPEL OASIS

Subject: RE: [wsbpel] Issue 47 and
WS-I BP 1.0

For the benefit of the non-expert could
post a salient example please?  Specifically, a BPEL usage pattern that
would not work if BP 1.0 is followed but would work if any WSDL 1.1 portType is
allowed.  In other words, is BP 1.0 a restriction on the WSDL artifacts we
use or potentially on BPEL itself?

 

From: Prasad Yendluri [mailto:] 

Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003
10:11 AM

To: Satish
 Thatte

Cc: BPEL OASIS

Subject: Re: [wsbpel] Issue 47 and
WS-I BP 1.0

 

The sections 5.5 and 5.6
in the basic profile (http://www.ws-i.org/Profiles/Basic/2003-08/BasicProfile-1.0a.htm)
are devoted to binding aspects but, several major sections including section 4,
other sections of 5 address abstract aspects of WSDL, which is a pretty large
portion. All those are applicable BPEL IMO.

Prasad

Satish Thatte wrote:

Most of the BP 1.0 directives are binding
related.  BP also forbids outbound operations which BPEL does not use.
 Can someone identify a directive in BP 1.0 that actually affects BPEL?

 

Satish