irc for conf call [Was RE: [wsbpel] This telcon process doesn't work!]

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Hello 
Paul,

 

for 
one the more critical parts of IRC (i.e. DCC for file sharing) can be disabled 
(and in fact are disabled by default unless your firewall has support for them). 
In addition to that, there are CGI gateways to IRC Servers. This will allow the 
most restricted user to participate (from behind a firewall as long as http is 
allowed).

 

Personally I would volunteer to run a irc server and a HTTP CGI Gateway 
for the discussion. That way everybody can join via HTTP (slow but compatible) 
or via native IRC protocol. How is that?

 

If i 
get the ok, i will set up an irc server and a web frontend (both with a simple 
password) reachable from the world.

 

Greetings

Bernd

 

  
-----Original Message-----
From: Lipton, Paul C 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 5:09 
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To: Burdett, David; ; 
  
Subject: RE: [wsbpel] Guidelines [Was 
  RE: [wsbpel] This telcon process doesn't work!]

  

  
Hi 
  David,

  
 

  
Many 
  corporate security policies forbid the IRC protocol and block it as insecure. 
  I don’t want to debate this, but a brief talk recently with our own Enterprise 
  security officer opened my eyes to problems with both IRC clients and with 
  what the protocol allows you to do. I don’t remember the particulars, but he 
  certainly had a long list of concerns that I’m sure could be substantiated by 
  anybody interested with a simple internet search on IRC and security, I would 
  think. 

  
 

  
Does 
  anybody know of mechanisms that are more likely to be considered acceptable, 
  and that would be able to pass through most corporate 
  firewalls?

  
 

  
Thanks,

  

  

  
Paul

  
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-----Original 
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From: Burdett, 
  David [mailto:] 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 3:13 
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Subject: RE: [wsbpel] Guidelines [Was RE: 
  [wsbpel] This telcon process doesn't work!]

  
 

  

  
Donald

  

  
 

  

  
How do 
  you make a motion if you can't speak because you are in listen only 
  mode?

  

  
 

  

  
Using 
  IRC would help as was suggested.

  

  
 

  

  
David

  
    
-----Original 
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From: Donald 
    Steiner [mailto:]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:23 
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Subject: [wsbpel] Guidelines [Was RE: 
    [wsbpel] This telcon process doesn't work!]

    

    

    
I 
    quite support Rand's observations. Just one follow-on guideline, taking 
    up on Fred's remarks: In general, if an issue that can't immediately be 
    resolved comes up in a formal meeting like this, a motion should be made to 
    deal with it offline and return to it at the next 
    meeting.

    

    
 

    

    
 - 
    Donald

    

    
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-----Original 
      Message-----
From: Rand 
      Anderson [mailto:] 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:59 
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To: 
      
Cc: 'Ben Bloch'; Burdett, David; 
      'Darran Rolls'; Diane Jordan
Subject: RE: [wsbpel] This telcon 
      process doesn't work!

      
Folks,

      
My initial 
      reaction to today's kickoff:

      
 

      
We ran into some 
      issues (some business but mostly protocol, I think), but to me, these seem 
      like mostly normal issues for the birth-pains of a new group with this 
      kind of mission and industry interest. The benefit to running into these 
      kinds of issues in our kickoff meeting is that we can solidify some ground 
      rules and practices early in our life that will help things go more 
      smoothly the rest of the way, before we get to the really gnarly issues. 
      BTW, thanks to all who spearheaded, attended, and supported this, but 
      especially to Diane and John for their patient 
      leadership.

      
 

      
Some points of 
      order that I might offer:

      
 

      
A few folks 
      complained about having a conference call meeting conducted mostly in 
      "listen-only" mode and needing to resort to speaker queues. I presume they 
      felt that this somehow would constrain or limit (negatively) the 
      opportunities for contribution and/or interaction.

      
 

      
In fact, if we 
      were to strictly follow Robert's Rules of Order, these constraints would 
      be barely noticed by anyone participating (with maybe a minor exception, 
      see my suggested revisions below). [In fact, following Robert's Rules on a 
      conf call with speaker-queuing is better than following Robert's Rules in 
      person in at least one way: the fairness of the queuing is managed for us 
      by the call system; when in person, the sequence of hand-raising is 
      somewhat subject to the memory of the chair.]

      
 

      
John, I think you 
      mentioned getting a FAQ for Robert's Rules posted to the BPEL site - this 
      is crucial, and everyone needs to get some basic familiarity with 
      operating in a group bound by Robert's Rules. They are intended (and 
      crafted over many years) to help ensure fair and orderly conduct of 
      decision making by groups.

      
 

      
To be clear, for 
      BPEL conf call TC meetings, I am strongly in favor of conducting them 
      roughly as was proposed for today's call, with listen-mode most of the 
      time (to minimize line noise), plus the following 
      guidelines:

      
-          
      allow folks to get in the 
      speaker queue at any time (this is simply analogous to raising your hand 
      to be heard at an in-person meeting)

      
-          
      ask that the meeting chair 
      simply call on those in the queue in a FIFO manner, as appropriate to the 
      point at hand

      
-          
      note that getting into the 
      queue doesn't mean you can speak at will; you will get your turn as called 
      upon by the chair

      
-          
      again, participants should 
      think of getting in the speaker queue simply as equivalent to raising your 
      hand. If you 'drop your hand' then re-raise it, you first fall out of the 
      queue and then get back on at the end of the queue. This is 
      fair.

      
-          
      until we get the hang of it, 
      we maybe need to be a bit more heavy-handed on enforcing some of the rules 
      of order, e.g., when the item on the floor is whether or not you object to 
      the current motion, do not use your moment on the floor to suggest another 
      amendment - that only creates confusion. There are certain times open for 
      amendments, etc. Read Robert's Rules to get some understanding of how this 
      works.

      
 

      
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