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Hi Harvey,
Thanks
for trying to help. I am taking the liberty of directing your suggestion to the
rest of the TC, as they may find it worth some consideration.
Regards,
Paul
Paul
Lipton
Technology Strategist, Office of the CTO
Computer Associates
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-----Original Message-----
From: Harvey Reed
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Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:22
AM
To: Lipton, Paul C
Cc: 'Diane Jordan'
Subject: RE: [wsbpel] Guidelines
[Was RE: [wsbpel] This telcon process doesn't work!]
You might try a Yahoo
Group. They have a chat room functionality that is good. The benefit to using a
Yahoo Group chat room is that there is a fixed URL that can be linked to the
OASIS TC homepage.
Harvey Reed
Product Manager
Sonic Software
+1 781-999-7027
-----Original Message-----
From: Lipton, Paul C
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Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:09
PM
To: Burdett, David;
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Subject: RE: [wsbpel] Guidelines
[Was RE: [wsbpel] This telcon process doesn't work!]
Hi David,
Many corporate security policies forbid the IRC protocol and
block it as insecure. I don’t want to debate this, but a brief talk
recently with our own Enterprise security officer opened my eyes to problems
with both IRC clients and with what the protocol allows you to do. I
don’t remember the particulars, but he certainly had a long list of
concerns that I’m sure could be substantiated by anybody interested with
a simple internet search on IRC and security, I would think.
Does anybody know of mechanisms that are more likely to be
considered acceptable, and that would be able to pass through most corporate
firewalls?
Thanks,
Paul
Paul Lipton
Technology
Strategist, Office of the CTO
Computer
Associates
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-----Original Message-----
From: Burdett, David
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Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 3:13 PM
To: '';
Subject: RE: [wsbpel] Guidelines
[Was RE: [wsbpel] This telcon process doesn't work!]
Donald
How do you
make a motion if you can't speak because you are in listen only mode?
Using
IRC would help as was suggested.
David
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Message-----
From: Donald Steiner
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Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:23
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To:
Subject: [wsbpel] Guidelines [Was
RE: [wsbpel] This telcon process doesn't work!]
I quite
support Rand's observations. Just one follow-on guideline, taking up on
Fred's remarks: In general, if an issue that can't immediately be resolved comes
up in a formal meeting like this, a motion should be made to deal with it
offline and return to it at the next meeting.
-
Donald
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-----Original
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From: Rand Anderson
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Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:59
AM
To:
Cc: 'Ben Bloch'; Burdett, David;
'Darran Rolls'; Diane Jordan
Subject: RE: [wsbpel] This telcon
process doesn't work!
Folks,
My initial reaction to today's
kickoff:
We ran into some issues (some
business but mostly protocol, I think), but to me, these seem like mostly normal
issues for the birth-pains of a new group with this kind of mission and
industry interest. The benefit to running into these kinds of issues in our
kickoff meeting is that we can solidify some ground rules and practices early
in our life that will help things go more smoothly the rest of the way, before
we get to the really gnarly issues. BTW, thanks to all who spearheaded,
attended, and supported this, but especially to Diane and John for their
patient leadership.
Some points of order that I might
offer:
A few folks complained about having
a conference call meeting conducted mostly in "listen-only" mode and
needing to resort to speaker queues. I presume they felt that this somehow would
constrain or limit (negatively) the opportunities for contribution and/or
interaction.
In fact, if we were to strictly
follow Robert's Rules of Order, these constraints would be barely noticed by
anyone participating (with maybe a minor exception, see my suggested revisions
below). [In fact, following Robert's Rules on a conf call with speaker-queuing
is better than following Robert's Rules in person in at least one way: the
fairness of the queuing is managed for us by the call system; when in person,
the sequence of hand-raising is somewhat subject to the memory of the chair.]
John, I think you mentioned getting
a FAQ for Robert's Rules posted to the BPEL site - this is crucial, and
everyone needs to get some basic familiarity with operating in a group bound by
Robert's Rules. They are intended (and crafted over many years) to help ensure
fair and orderly conduct of decision making by groups.
To be clear, for BPEL conf call TC
meetings, I am strongly in favor of conducting them roughly as was proposed for
today's call, with listen-mode most of the time (to minimize line noise), plus
the following guidelines:
-
allow folks to get in the speaker queue at any time (this is simply
analogous to raising your hand to be heard at an in-person meeting)
-
ask that the meeting chair simply call on those in the queue in a FIFO
manner, as appropriate to the point at hand
-
note that getting into the queue doesn't mean you can speak at will; you
will get your turn as called upon by the chair
-
again, participants should think of getting in the speaker queue simply
as equivalent to raising your hand. If you 'drop your hand' then re-raise it,
you first fall out of the queue and then get back on at the end of the queue.
This is fair.
-
until we get the hang of it, we maybe need to be a bit more heavy-handed
on enforcing some of the rules of order, e.g., when the item on the floor is
whether or not you object to the current motion, do not use your moment on the
floor to suggest another amendment - that only creates confusion. There are
certain times open for amendments, etc. Read Robert's Rules to get some
understanding of how this works.
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