UBL TC Atlantic Call Minutes June 16 2004

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Subject: UBL TC Atlantic Call Minutes June 16 2004




From: Mavis Cournane <>
To: 
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:03:57 +0100






Dear all
please find below a copy of the Minutes of the Atlantic call for the
UBL TC.
Next week's call will take place at the same time and on the same
number.

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1. Roll call and welcome by Mavis the Moderator
Mavis Cournane
Fabio Arciniegas
Jon Bosak
Bill Meadows
Tony Coates
Marion Royal
Sylvia Webb
Michael Dill
Anne Hendry
Eduardo Gutentag
Peter Yim
Oriol Ausa
Monica Martin

Regrets
Stephen Green



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STANDING ITEMS
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Note bookmark change from "issues.xls" to "worklist.xls".

Note that there is no Pacific TC call this week.

{Continuing:6} Calendar review
JB: XML 2004 meeting in DC my UBL presentation has been
accepted. People should think about submitting Late Breaking News on  
any upcoming UBL projects.
Fabio has XMLRof.

{Continuing:7} Event reports
Michael Dill has joined the WCO World Customs Organization. They have 2  
groups one business and one modeling.
Michael will be presenting how CCTS works. There is a chance they will  
adopt specific NDR rules and they will not consider this right now.
JB: Should we consider pointing Michael as a Liaison to that group?
MD: I am monitoring this. We should reach a decision this in Sept.

{Continuing:10} Liaison reports
                 JB: Ken and Thomas appointed as liaisons
                 JB: Report on call with chair of Tax XML TC
JB: Ken is approved as liaison as SC34 and Thomas Lee as ebXML Asia  
Liaison.
I had a conversation last week with the chair of the Tax XML TC  
Harm-Jan Van Burg.
Its members represent the tax admin of NL, Germany, US, Canada. They  
are formed from the OECD consisting of 44 countries. That group reports  
back to the OECD. They wanted closer contact a few months ago, but we  
were busy with 1.0 so they held off. Their intent is to provide input  
to UBL so that UBL will cover tax processes. They are taking a similar  
position with XBRL. They see UBL interesting in terms of indirect  
taxation, it comes into the tax process via the general ledger.
The appropriate information has to be in the trade documents to begin  
with. UBL will need a couple of gluing elements to make sure we have  
the info in our basic documents that is needed further up the food  
chain. They are in a good position to provide this to us.
Their plan is to look at 1.0 and start an analysis of this from a tax  
perspective. He will get back to Jon around the third week in June with  
a liaison. Their next meeting is in Sept in London.

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SUBCOMMITTEES
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{Continuing:20} JB: Arrange for freeze of retired SCs
There is an item on the Work list for Code Lists. Line 28 in the  
Continuing.
Tony will take the suggestion he made a few months ago, post it to the  
TC, discuss it on UBL Dev.
After 1.0 review is out of the way, we will get to it.
We appoint tony and Marty to begin an offline discussion on it.
{Continuing:21} HISC
Fabio is appointed co-chair. A charter has been drawn up. Oriel has  
also joined as a voting member. Tomorrow there will be a call.
Action Item: Jon to mail the chair recommending Fabio as co-chair
AH: There is question about how much we want to align with UNEDOCS.  
Their template contains a place for digital signatures. In London from  
Dave Burdetts request we considered the inclusion of these, and decided  
against them. We need to decide by not having them, at what level do we  
want to merge with UNEDOCs.

EG: My recollection was we were not having it for 1.0 but review it for  
letter.
FA: This will be discussed tomorrow in the HISC call.
MD: I think it is time to move UNEDOCS alignment along.
JB: That relationship is being handled by contacts with Sue and Ken.
Action Item: JB to add this question to the worklist.

{Continuing:22} SSC
AH: We talked about how we wnat to go about developing 1.1 schemas  
which we can discuss later.
For 1.0 there is not a specific date set yet for when we need the  
schemas. We have to go through the issues first. We were wondering for  
this SC where we have people for the outside developing products that  
want to share their ideas, we talked about having some IP statement to  
make people feel more comfortable, and make them realize that whatever  
they say is open and has no encumbrances. Sylvia mentioned there is a  
standard anti-trust statement used in many of the groups she is  
participating in.
JB: I have an AI to put people on notice about the IP. As part of the  
process of moving towards Oasis approval we need to do that. As part of  
signing up to Oasis you are made aware of the IP policy.
AH: We discussed the need for a focussed marketing activity beginning  
with the generation of some documentation that outline our line for  
UBL.
JB: We have this in place for the last two years in terms of a white  
paper. We probably have to come back to that.
Action Item: Jon to consider revision of materials.
AH: We are talking about targeting the big four, to encourage them to  
put resources into implementation.
JB: The closest thing I found is an amazing paper from APEC (url  
forwarded to the list by Thomas Lee  
http://www.dfat.gov.au/publications/paperless/paperless_trading.pdf).  
It is about paperless trade. There is also a list of the key documents  
in that paper that they propose to make paperless. I would suggest at a  
later date to the group that we make those documents our goal.
FA: I have been talking to people at the Embassies here about UBL. I  
have written a number of paragraphs explaining what is UBL.
MHC: Can you post them to the list?
Action item: Fabio to make these available to the list.
AH: Ray is going to write out some thoughts on what we could do and  
what the goals would be for some of that marketing collateral. there  
was also the idea of spinning off a small team of TC members to address  
this.


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PRIORITY ITEMS FOR THIS MEETING
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{UBL10:3} Public comment log
BM: I need to coordinate with Anne and have everything on one sheet.  
The comment log is finished, and there were only 6.

{UBL10:4} Issues list
AH: That is being worked on.
JB: We won't review anything until the complete list is generated. The  
12th was the last day for comments. I want you to upload that list to  
the TC site.
Action item: Anne, Bill, Sylvia will coordinate and submit a final list  
to the site for us to review. They will also take a first cut at  
ordering.

{UBL10:5} Schema/spreadsheet alignment
JB: There were comments from Michael about how this was done.
MD: Has he compared all, or did he just list what he found. Did he work  
systematically, if so I can do a double check.
AH: Stephen noted the things he thought were critical. Michael sent out  
a zip file with three directories.
Action item: Mavis will ask Stephen for a concrete list of all  
differences. If this is something he cannot produce for whatever  
reason, could he provide it to Mavis for differencing.
We need Stephen's output and Michael's input for all the spreadsheet.

{UBL10:6} Issues review
JB: Suggest we begin 6/30
{UBL10:9} Input from Swedish Association of Local Authorities
\JB: We have this very substantial contribution and we have to figure  
out if these are 1.0 or 1.1 things and we have to talk it through.
By reference this is part of the issues list. A pointer to it is  
sufficient as it is well organized.

{UBL11:9} CCTS schemas: Walldorf ATG2 meeting
           ALL: Review paper from Tim:
               
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ubl/download.php/7206/ 
draft-mcgrath-UBLandCCTSschemas.pdf
The Ontology Forum is working on a Core Compenent Type Ontology and  
that work was inspired by Tim's first comments on having to review the  
CCTS Types. A draft will be published at the end of June for public  
review. There are two major events, July 6th a workshop within in the  
Protege Annual Conference (National Institute of Health), August panel  
in Orlando EIDX conference.
JB: There is one implicit work item for Peter and that is to look at  
UDEV.
Are we comfortable accepting this paper as an informational input to  
Waldorf.
What is the impact to 1.1 of items listed under alignment with OAGIS.
The biggest issue is the naming of supplementary components. Our  
convention for these is the NDR one for names. We are at risk if ATG  
decides to do something different in terms of getting backwards  
compatibility from 1.1 to 1.0. The impact of the rest of these is  
unclear to me.
We are saying 1.1 will be backward compatible with 1.0, and we hope  
what ATG produces out of Waldorf is smth we can use in 1.0. If ATG  
adopts something different to us then we won't meet these objectives.
PY: Is the possibility of ATG coming up with something different slight?
JB: No we can't say that as we do not have much overlapping membership.
JB: The key issue will be the impact on backwards compatibility.
PY: 4 and 5 on page 8 of Tim's document will not impact this.
JB: So a release note for 1.0 we could say if the proposed change is  
adopted this could affect 1.1 compatibility.
JB: What about item 3, the format rule.
Does this have any impact on instances or is it just relationships  
between the schema modules and CCTS.
TC: 5 does have an incompatibility impact.
JB: We could warn people about using 1 and 0 because of future  
compatibility issues.
Action item: Michael will look in to this and item 5 offline and let us  
know.
JB: Can we accept the paper as informational input to the meeting.
Agreed to accept this as informational input and we may come up with  
additional comments

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ITEM ADDITIONS
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Addition of new items to the issues list.
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OTHER BUSINESS
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