RE: [saml-dev] RE: [security-services] Points to Make to the Pres sAboutthe Int erop (and SAML generally )

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Chanliau, Marc <>
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2002-06-26T15:34:06+00:00
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RE: [saml-dev] RE: [security-services] Points to Make to the Pres sAboutthe Int erop (and SAML generally )
By the 
same token, it would be good to position SAML against other technologies that 
deal with security:

 

- 
Passport

- 
Kerberos

- 
Liberty (assuming it falls in the "technology" category)

- 
Relationship with XML Encryption / XML Dsig

- How it complements XACML, XKMS, SPML, 
WSRP

- How 
it fits with the WS-I organization

- How 
it's being integrated with the Java API (JSR 155)

- 
etc...

(I get 
those questions almost on a daily basis).

 

Marc 
Chanliau  

  
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Bowen 
  [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:43 
  PM
To: Mishra, Prateek
Cc: 'Hal Lockhart'; 
  ; ''; 
  'James Kobielus'
Subject: Re: [saml-dev] RE: [security-services] 
  Points to Make to the Press Aboutthe Int erop (and SAML generally 
  )

Not just because I'm from Sun :-), but I think we need 
  to be prepared to address the following question: "What is the difference 
  between SAML and Liberty?". Am I the only one? Also, I think "SAML is NOT the 
  Holy Grail" would be another good heading to address. This wouldn't downplay 
  the significance, but would seek to make sure that the press didn't think we 
  were painting this as a solution to world hunger :-) 
  
Are there any other points in our slide preso that are worthy of pointing 
  out? I'd like us to "write" as much of their report as we possibly can. 
  
Don; 
  
"Mishra, Prateek" wrote: 
   Hal,somewhere we need to work in the narrative we 
    have used in the interOp document and 
    demonstration. Most press 
    people actually have only a 
    modest idea what the concept of federation actually means 
    in a practical way. I will add some slides to 
    the current presentation so as to illustrate the concept in some 
    detail.In addition, I 
    think that some of these details also need to be added to this document, 
    which I presume will actuallybe handed out 
    to the press. Is that correct? We have earlier discussed on the list the 
    need for a "one page" documentwhich will be 
    handed out to the press and the participants before/after the demo. I assume 
    your outline is a firststep in that 
    direction.- 
    prateek 
    
      
-----Original Message----- 
From: Hal Lockhart [mailto:] 
      
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 
      6:15 PM 
To: 
       
Cc: ''; 'James 
      Kobielus' 
Subject: [security-services] Points to Make to the Press 
      About the Interop (and SAML generally ) 
      
 
Here is my first cut. These are in no 
      particular order. I suspect different reporters will find different ones 
      to be more "newsworthy". 
      
SAML Works 
      
In spite of the fact that SAML is a brand new 
      specification which has never been implemented before and for which there 
      is currently no reference implementation, the 12 participating vendors 
      will able to fully interoperate after only a few days of testing. This is 
      due in large part to the depth of technical expertise in Authorization and 
      experience with open standards represented by the Security Services 
      TC. 
      
SAML is Useful 
      
The distributed, multi-vendor, multi-portal configuration 
      being demonstrated solves a real-world problem that exists today. Prior to 
      SAML, Portals provided for public use on the Internet, by Government, 
      Industy Consortia or by large enterprises for internal or external use 
      were required to select a single technology provider. Now organizations 
      participating in a Portal or other Web SSO environment can freely choose 
      among SAML-compliant products. 
      
SAML Enables Federated Identity 
      
The SAML Domain model and specifications permit 
      Authentication and Identity information to be federated among multiple 
      organizations and servers. This means that Access Control decisions can be 
      be based on a rich set of information, including multiple Authentication 
      methods, and a variety of user attributes, including Groups, Roles, 
      Permissions, Authorization Levels and others. However, there is no need to 
      assemble this information into a single repository in order to access it. 
      This means: 1) enhanced user Privacy, because the information is held at 
      its point of orgin and only shared as needed and under the control of the 
      user 2) greater accuracy, becuase the information is held by the 
      organization responsible for updating it and 3) more rapid deployment, 
      because applications and Authorities can be put online as needed. 
      
Fine Grained Authorization is Key 
      
The future of secure applications depends on fine grained 
      Authorization services, such as those enabled by SAML. As the boundaries 
      between public and private networks blur and protocols such as those used 
      for Web Services proliferate, coarse grained access control solutions like 
      firewalls become less and less effective. Although much attention has been 
      paid to PKI, smartcards, biometrics and other Authentication technologies, 
      they represent only one step in the process of protecting assets and 
      enabling Electronic Commerce. 
      
SAML Serves Multiple Needs 
      
The SAML Interoperability Demonstration illustrates how 
      SAML can be applied to the real-world problem of mult-vendor Web SSO. But 
      this is not the end of the story. SAML has the flexibility to be applied 
      to a wide range of Authorization interoperability problems in both 
      existing and future environments. The SSTC is currently developing a 
      Profile for the use of SAML in conjunction with Web Services which is 
      consistent with the WS-Security document, recently published by IBM, 
      Microsoft and Verisign. SAML is being applied to authorization problems in 
      higher education and on the Public Internet. While SAML is based on XML 
      Schema, it is equally suitable for use in legacy environments. SAML is 
      extensible, but it also provides bindings and profiles specified in 
      sufficient detail for interopertability. It is expected that a variety of 
      SAML Profiles will be defined for use in both open and closed 
      environments. 
      
Hal