RE: [provision] FW: Base SPML on SAML rather than DSML?

From
Tony Gullotta <>
Date
2002-07-30T17:09:58+00:00
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RE: [provision] FW: Base SPML on SAML rather than DSML?
I 
think SAML may have some relevance if the PSP wishes to obtain additional 
information about the principal who needs to be provisioned. So, for 
example, let's say the provisioning request is for John Doe, and the 
PSP needs to know John's credit status before authorizing the request. Then the 
PSP could query the RA (or some trusted third party) for attribute assertions 
about John's credit. This may make sense to be SAML based, however the original 
provisioning request would probably not be a great fit. Does anyone else have a 
better perspective on SAML to comment?

 

Tony

  
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To: Gavenraj Sodhi
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Subject: Re: [provision] FW: Base 
  SPML on SAML rather than DSML?

  SAML (so far) 
  doesn't have a protocol for updating attributes, just acquiring them (issue an 
  attribute request, get an attribute assertion back). You could devise a 
  protocol where a requestor instead submitted an attribute assertion (as a 
  request to update/add an attribute), but there is no support for that as a 
  protocol in SAML: is the assertion an add or an update, what should the 
  response of the receiver be, etc.

  Caveat: I haven't followed the 
  SAML list much for the past couple of months.

Rob

Gavenraj 
  Sodhi wrote: 
  

  fyi... 

-----Original Message----- 
From: DeSouza, 
    Edwin [mailto:] 
    
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 6:25 PM 
To: Gavenraj Sodhi; 
     
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Subject: Base SPML on SAML 
    rather than DSML? 

Darran, Gavenraj, 
I see a lot of 
    discussion on using DSML as the basis for SPML.  
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/provision/200207/maillist.html 
    

DSML is one possible starting point (Directories keep User Profiles, 
    etc 
--AND-- DSML is supposed to make directories talk to each other). 
    

On the other hand, SAML is supposed to be able to transport all 
    kinds of 
"interesting" user profile info among various 
    
sites/companies/applications/etc.  And, given that Project Liberty 
    is 
using SAML, and maybe WS-Security will be friendly to SAML, then in 
    all 
likelihood SAML will have a much more widespead usage than DSML. 
    

That being the case ... it would be interesting to think about using 
    
SAML as the basis for SPML. 

Maybe someone more 
    technical/knowledgeable than me can start a 
discussion on this at SPML. 
    

bye, 
Edwin. 
    

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