Tim,
This is a truly definitive response - terrific document - excellent resource for people to understand the work.
Maybe a mini-FAQ section on the Kavi page - with a link to this doc?!?
Thanks for sharing this.
DW
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [emergency] Emergency Management Vocabulary alignments?
> From: "Timothy Grapes" <>
> Date: Thu, February 14, 2008 2:21 pm
> To: "'Ponikvar, Donald <CTR>'" <>,
> "'David RR Webber \(XML\)'" <>
> Cc: "'Lee Tincher'" <>, "'Vandame, Richard'"
> <>, <>
>
> Don,
> This is excellent and very encouraging. You folks are doing a great job.
> Please keep us in the loop of the submission and harmonization process. The
> hope is that EDXL elements can be submitted / updated in NIEM (but also new
> versions of each EDXL standard) such that consistency is achieved and
> maintained over time.
>
> Just as an FYI, a while back the NIEM Blue Team asked us to respond to the
> following question received from the NIEM help desk. Attached is a summary
> addressing the question and summarizing the proposal I mentioned earlier.
> There's still a fair amount of education and coordination required moving
> forward.
>
> Help Desk Question:
> "What is EDXL and should we care? Is EDXL a competitor to NIEM of which we
> need to be aware in case some of our stakeholders ask for it? Or a
> complementary tool with which our NIEM projects might need to cooperate?
> How should we position our NIEM projects with respect to EDXL?"
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ponikvar, Donald <CTR> [mailto:]
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:11 PM
> To: Timothy Grapes; David RR Webber (XML)
> Cc: Lee Tincher; Vandame, Richard;
> Subject: RE: [emergency] Emergency Management Vocabulary alignments?
>
> Interesting discussion. FYI, I have been invited to attend the next
> meeting of the NBAC here in Washington DC on 28-29 Feb.
>
> The DHS Domestic Nuclear Detection Office (DNDO) has formally adopted
> EDXL DE (along with CAP 1.1) as part of their overarching data model.
> We have been asked by DHS to document our messaging approach in the
> approved NIEM IEPD format, for submission to the DHS NIEM office for
> consideration as an extension to the NIEM core. That work is well
> underway.
>
> So yes, there are some initial efforts to gain recognition of the OASIS
> standards as part of the DHS NIEM implementations. We are actually
> fielding a messaging system through our Southeast Transportation
> Corridor Pilot effort, and it will use the messaging protocols (with
> OASIS standards) that we are submitting to NIEM. This exercise involves
> nine States and the District of Columbia, and will provide some
> real-world benchmarks for how well it all works together. We anticipate
> initial capabilities in the April-May time frame, with a full
> demonstration in the Fall.
>
> Just an encouraging word that SOME folks at DHS are hearing the gospel
> message.
>
> Don Ponikvar
>
> Donald R. Ponikvar, PhD
> SETA Support, Mission Management Directorate
> DHS/Domestic Nuclear Detection Office
> Washington, DC 20528
>
> voice: 202-254-7530
> fax: 202-254-7751
> Blackberry: 202-368-4922
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> emergency-return-835-Donald.Ponikvar=-open
> .org
> [mailto:emergency-return-835-Donald.Ponikvar=
> sis-open.org] On Behalf Of Timothy Grapes
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:14 AM
> To: 'David RR Webber (XML)'
> Cc: 'Lee Tincher'; Vandame, Richard;
> Subject: RE: [emergency] Emergency Management Vocabulary alignments?
>
> David,
> You got it. I don't know about future plans. Although they do have a
> formal template for domain content submission, there is no current
> governance to deal with submissions. I understand they are trying to
> stand
> up the NBAC (NIEM Business Architecture Committee) again. NIEM
> governance
> would be their responsibility - but you are right, ownership and process
> outside of NIEM is also key.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David RR Webber (XML) [mailto:]
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:04 AM
> To: Timothy Grapes
> Cc: 'Lee Tincher'; 'Vandame,Richard';
> Subject: RE: [emergency] Emergency Management Vocabulary alignments?
>
> Tim,
>
> OK got it.
>
> The NIEM is just a giant vocabulary intended to be the base definitions
> for
> building conforming message exchanges from.
>
> So - no surprise they shredded OASIS messages into their base
> components.
> In future probably best to submit just the bsse definitions! They may
> have
> made changes to names of things to make sure they are fully NDR
> compliant.
> Again - that's something we can make sure of ahead of time too - but
> would
> be best to get agreement with NIEM on conformance and their signoff.
>
> The current NIEM V2.0 is from June 2007. My guess is that at some point
> NIEM V3.0 work will occur. They do have a formal submission process for
> domain stuff. The ownership and process for that though - obviously
> that's
> the trick here - to ensure our stuff is incorporated, corrected and
> updated
> for that. Would be nice also - since its domain, not core or universal
> definitions - if we could get those updated and corrected sooner than
> that...
>
> Some sleuthing into current contact points and so on.
>
> DW
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: RE: [emergency] Emergency Management Vocabulary alignments?
> > From: "Timothy Grapes" <>
> > Date: Thu, February 14, 2008 10:41 am
> > To: "'Vandame, Richard'" <>, "'David RR
> Webber
> > \(XML\)'" <>, <>
> > Cc: "'Lee Tincher'" <>
> >
> > Rich is correct - some EDXL messages were the first non-Justice
> content
> > entered into NIEM, before harmonization processes were defined. At
> that
> > time, (to our surprise) the messages were broken apart and the
> elements
> put
> > in the EM domain as well as in core. That's when we realized NIEM
> wasn't
> > addressing standard messages. The content is now old and incorrect
> (to
> what
> > degree I don't know).
> >
> > Since that time (2 years ago) there has been no governance, process or
> > funding to deal with this. Though we forwarded a detailed proposal
> with
> > DHS-OIC and NIEM for EDXL alignment (EDXL consume and maintain NIEM as
> a
> > common data dictionary), I don't think it has moved forward. That
> proposal
> > called for evolution into NIEM-compliant EDXL messaging standards
> through
> > re-use of NIEM data dictionary components, which are then evaluated as
> NIMS
> > "approved" messaging standards. The intended result is grant language
> and
> > program alignment such that implementation of EDXL messaging standards
> by
> > any entity results in the sending and receiving system deemed as NIMS,
> NIEM,
> > OIC-program and OASIS compatible.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tim Grapes
> > Evolution Technologies, Inc.
> > Office: (703) 654-6075
> > Mobile: (703) 304-4829
> >
> > http://www.evotecinc.com/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vandame, Richard [mailto:]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:08 AM
> > To: David RR Webber (XML);
> > Subject: RE: [emergency] Emergency Management Vocabulary alignments?
> >
> > If I remember correctly, EDXL information was entered into NIEM
> sometime
> > back. Some of it is incorrect, but no one was able to get it changed.
> >
> > Anyone else?
> >
> > Rich
> >
> > Richard Vandame
> > Program Specialist
> > Standards & Technology Branch
> > Incident Management Systems Integration Division
> > DHS/FEMA
> > office: 202-646-7666
> > BB: 202-412-9072
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> emergency-return-829-Richard.Vandame=
> >
> [mailto:emergency-return-829-Richard.Vandame=
> > g] On Behalf Of David RR Webber (XML)
> > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:27 AM
> > To:
> > Subject: [emergency] Emergency Management Vocabulary alignments?
> >
> > I just found out that the NIEM V2.0 has a whole domain for Emergency
> > Management that supports the National Incident-Based Reporting System
> > (NIBRS).
> >
> > You can use NIEM online tools to explore these:
> >
> > http://ncsconline.org/niemwayfarer (best)
> >
> > and also
> >
> > http://niem.gtri.gatech.edu/niemtools/ssgt/SSGT-SearchSubmit.iepd
> >
> > There's a whole raft of information for emergency stuff - that we have
> -
> > that is duplicative - such as vehicle, bed, etc.
> >
> > I see others have already been here ahead of me.
> >
> > So for example we have bed, vehicle, etc information - searching in
> > Wayfarer shows those.
> >
> > Bed search results:
> >
> > Matching Elements
> > em:AdditionalCapacity24HrQuantity
> > em:AdditionalCapacity72HrQuantity
> > em:AvailableQuantity
> > em:BaselineQuantity
> > em:BedCapacity
> > em:BedCategoryCode
> > em:Capacity
> > em:CapacityStatusCode
> >
> > Obviously we also have these in our schema.
> >
> > Now of course the NIEM is a giant boat anchor of a XSD fur ball.
> >
> > However - I could see the case for aligning to the dictionary - so
> that
> > names/definitions are equivalent - so you have published 100%
> > correspondence for interoperability.
> >
> > This may be as simple as producing a spreadsheet with OASIS item and
> > then the NIEM equivalent item... have we done that already?
> >
> > Of course one may want to create subset schema that include only those
> > definitions extracted from the NIEM xsd fur ball - and built as a
> > standalone xsd that is maintained independently thru OASIS.
> >
> > Is that essential what we have done?
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Just coming up the learning curve here!
> >
> > Thanks, DW
> >
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