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Fwd: Re: Packaging etc

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Kristen James Eberlein <>
Date
2015-06-16T12:07:47+00:00
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Fwd: Re: Packaging etc
FYI: This is where work regarding the packaging was left last week.

    

      
Best,

        Kris

        

        Kristen James Eberlein

        Chair, OASIS DITA Technical Committee

        Principal consultant, Eberlein Consulting

        www.eberleinconsulting.com

        +1 919 682-2290; kriseberlein (skype)

        

      

      

      

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            Subject:
            
            Re: Packaging etc
          

          

            Date: 
            Fri, 12 Jun 2015 17:07:31 -0400
          

          

            From: 
            Chet Ensign <>
          

          

            To: 
            Kristen James Eberlein
              <>
          

          

            CC: 
            Nancy Harrison
              <>, Tom Magliery
              <>, Robert Anderson
              <>, Michael Priestley
              <>
          

        
      
      

      

      
Yep - we'll figure out a way to make that work. 

      

        
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 4:43 PM,
          Kristen James Eberlein <>
          wrote:

          
            
 I think we should
              prototype this both ways and assess the usability.

              
                
Main page with links to the three parts (assuming
                  that we could have a line explaining what the part
                  is); each of the three parts has a cover pages.

                
Main page with links to the three editions; links
                  lead directly to the first topic in the edition. In
                  this case, we'd add a topic to the map before the
                  "Introduction to DITA" section; the topic would
                  explain the edition.

              
              
Chet, just checking that #1 with the brief sentences
                explaining the parts in the "Additional artifacts"
                section is OK?

              

              
As always, many thanks for your help.

              

              
                
Best,

                  Kris

                  

                  Kristen James Eberlein

                  Chair, OASIS DITA Technical Committee

                  Principal consultant, Eberlein Consulting

                  www.eberleinconsulting.com

                  +1 919 682-2290;
                  kriseberlein (skype)

                  

                

              
              

                

                  
On 6/12/2015 4:28 PM, Chet Ensign wrote:

                  

                  
                    
No, the links under Add'l arts would
                      point to wherever you want each of the editions to
                      begin. You would likely have the links repeated in
                      the body of this top level introductory document
                      e.g. where you explain in more depth what each of
                      them does and who it is for, etc. But someone
                      clicking on the link for the Technical Edition is
                      going to go right to the first document in the
                      Technical Edition tree. 
                      

                      

                      
We will need to discuss those starting pages.
                        Using this model, they can't be OASIS cover
                        pages like the main one. In this approach,
                        they'll have to be structured more like a
                        chapter. E.g. 

                      

                      

                      
1. DITA Base Edition

                      
The DITA Base Edition is for users who need
                        etc etc . A complete download of this Edition
                        can be downloaded at <url>. 

                        

                        

                        
Have a look at the spread sheet again. I
                          have mapped out the file structure under this
                          approach. 

                      

                    

                    

                      
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at
                        4:10 PM, Nancy Harrison <>
                        wrote:

                        
                          

                            
So, just to clarify my understanding,
                              the links under the 'Additional Artifacts'
                              section don't point to the cover pages for
                              each edition, they point to somewhere else
                              in the overview, which then points to
                              cover pages for the individual editions?

                                  

                                

                            Nancy

                              

                          

                              

                                
_____________

                                  Nancy Harrison

                                  Infobridge Solutions  

                                  

                              

                              

                            
                            

                              

                                
On Fri, Jun 12,
                                  2015 at 12:27 PM, Chet Ensign <>
                                  wrote:

                                  
                                    
Ok, the attached is a
                                      mock up of how this could work in
                                      practice. This would be your front
                                      page for DITA V1.3 just like the
                                      example I pointed you to last
                                      night for PLCS (http://docs.oasis-open.org/plcs/plcslib/v1.0/plcslib-v1.0.html).

                                      Note that now, under Additional
                                      artifacts, you have DITA V1.3 Base
                                      Edition (link), etc. I'll go with
                                      one short sentence in that
                                      reference to identify the
                                      audience. That link then navigates
                                      you down into the body to the
                                      starting point for each of those
                                      subtrees. 
                                      

                                      

                                      
Yes, this still has to be a
                                        document with a TOC and body
                                        copy again like the PLCS
                                        document. You can use it for
                                        orientation, etc. I think the
                                        diagrams need to go in that body
                                        as well. Yes, HTML, PDF and
                                        editable source will be required
                                        *for that document*. What you
                                        have below that is up to you. If
                                        there is only HTML in the
                                        descendent documents (as is the
                                        case for PLCS), that is ok. 

                                      

                                      

                                      
We can talk about the details
                                        of text, urls, etc. here but the
                                        bottom line is that I think this
                                        gets you closer to what you
                                        want. It certainly eliminates
                                        "Part". 

                                      

                                      

                                      
Let me know what you think. 

                                      
                                          

                                          

                                          
/chet

                                          

                                          

                                        

                                    

                                      

                                        

                                          
On
                                            Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 7:29
                                            PM, Kristen James Eberlein <>
                                            wrote:

                                            
                                              

                                                
I am so totally
                                                  waiting on Nancy and
                                                  Tom's expertise to
                                                  build us a prototype.
                                                  Go team!

                                                

                                                

                                                
Thanks, Chet.

                                                
                                                  

                                                  

                                                  
Kris

                                                    

                                                    Sent from my iPad

                                                
                                                

                                                  

                                                    

                                                      On Jun 11, 2015,
                                                      at 6:46 PM, Chet
                                                      Ensign <>

                                                      wrote:

                                                      

                                                    

                                                    
                                                      

                                                        
Have
                                                          a look
                                                          at Product
                                                          Life Cycle
                                                          Support
                                                          Version 1.0 (http://docs.oasis-open.org/plcs/plcslib/v1.0/plcslib-v1.0.html)
                                                          and ignore the
                                                          frames. 
                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
This is
                                                          an HTML, PDF
                                                          and editable
                                                          source
                                                          document in
                                                          front of the
                                                          most mammoth
                                                          collection of
                                                          auto-generated
                                                          HTML files you
                                                          want to see in
                                                          your life
                                                          time. In fact,
                                                          take a peek at
                                                          the
                                                          directories
                                                          and files. 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
It is
                                                          *not*
                                                          multi-part. It
                                                          is all kinds
                                                          of stuff
                                                          auto-generated
                                                          from their
                                                          source
                                                          package. 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
So - what
                                                          I am
                                                          suggesting you
                                                          think about is
                                                          one front page
                                                          - HTML, PDF
                                                          and editable
                                                          source - that
                                                          acts pretty
                                                          much like Part
                                                          0 Overview in
                                                          our current
                                                          conversation -
                                                          but then takes
                                                          people to
                                                          stand-alone
                                                          trees of
                                                          content with
                                                          your editions.
                                                          Each edition
                                                          has a its spec
                                                          documentation,
                                                          its associated
                                                          files, and
                                                          stands alone. 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
So - you
                                                          get one front
                                                          page that
                                                          meets OASIS
                                                          requirements,
                                                          that leads
                                                          readers
                                                          naturally down
                                                          to the edition
                                                          they want,
                                                          which
                                                          themselves are
                                                          individual
                                                          trees and thus
                                                          content that
                                                          people can
                                                          download and
                                                          use or
                                                          bookmark or
                                                          whatever. 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
And they
                                                          are not parts
                                                          of a multipart
                                                          work, so the
                                                          hideous "Part"
                                                          word goes
                                                          away. And it
                                                          is one DITA
                                                          V1.3 spec, so
                                                          OASIS process
                                                          is happy. 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
Before
                                                          you ask, the
                                                          top page must
                                                          still (as PLCS
                                                          does) follow
                                                          the OASIS
                                                          model - you
                                                          can describe
                                                          the thing in
                                                          the Abstract
                                                          which, with
                                                          Additional
                                                          artifacts gone
                                                          and skipping
                                                          Related work
                                                          can be right
                                                          after the
                                                          Editors. And
                                                          yes, as in
                                                          PLCS, there
                                                          will have to
                                                          be some copy
                                                          after a TOC. 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
But it
                                                          gives you (1)
                                                          one landing
                                                          page, (2) no
                                                          "Part" words,
                                                          (3) a pathway
                                                          directly to
                                                          your three
                                                          subtrees. 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
Have a
                                                          look and give
                                                          it some
                                                          thought... 

                                                        

                                                        

                                                          
On

                                                          Thu, Jun 11,
                                                          2015 at 6:25
                                                          PM,
                                                          chet.ensign <>
                                                          wrote:

                                                          
                                                          

                                                          
I have
                                                          another idea.
                                                          working on
                                                          dinner at the
                                                          moment. but
                                                          this might be
                                                          the solution.
                                                          I'll send
                                                          email with the
                                                          description
                                                          later this
                                                          evening

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
Sent

                                                          from my
                                                          Verizon
                                                          Wireless 4G
                                                          LTE Smartphone

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
--------
                                                          Original
                                                          message
                                                          --------

                                                          
From: Tom
                                                          Magliery 

                                                          
Date:06/11/2015

                                                          6:14 PM
                                                          (GMT-05:00) 

                                                          
To:
                                                          Kristen James
                                                          Eberlein ,
                                                          Chet Ensign 

                                                          
Cc: Nancy
                                                          Harrison ,
                                                          Robert
                                                          Anderson ,
                                                          Michael
                                                          Priestley 

                                                          
Subject:
                                                          RE: Packaging
                                                          etc 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
Kris,

                                                          
 

                                                          
I
                                                          completely
                                                          agree, but I
                                                          don't think
                                                          you meant to
                                                          say "they are
                                                          not standalone
                                                          pieces".
                                                          Clearly they
                                                          are -- just
                                                          exactly as
                                                          much as a
                                                          home/business/enterprise
                                                          edition of
                                                          some software
                                                          would be.

                                                          
 

                                                          
mag

                                                          
 

                                                          
 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
From:
                                                          Kristen James
                                                          Eberlein
                                                          [mailto:]
                                                          

                                                          Sent:
                                                          Thursday, June
                                                          11, 2015 2:52
                                                          PM

                                                          To:
                                                          Chet Ensign

                                                          Cc: Tom
                                                          Magliery;
                                                          Nancy
                                                          Harrison;
                                                          Robert
                                                          Anderson;
                                                          Michael
                                                          Priestley

                                                          Subject:
                                                          Re: Packaging
                                                          etc

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
 

                                                          

                                                          
We

                                                          don't want to
                                                          publish these
                                                          separately.
                                                          They are not
                                                          stand-alone
                                                          pieces. The
                                                          base is the
                                                          central part
                                                          of both
                                                          technical
                                                          content and
                                                          all-inclusive,
                                                          and
                                                          all-inclusive
                                                          cannot work
                                                          without
                                                          technical
                                                          content.

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
Think

                                                          of this as a
                                                          software
                                                          release. Some
                                                          people opt for
                                                          the
                                                          distribution
                                                          with the
                                                          smallest foot
                                                          print; some
                                                          need the
                                                          medium- sized
                                                          business
                                                          edition, and
                                                          other need the
                                                          enterprise
                                                          edition with
                                                          everything in
                                                          it but the
                                                          kitchen sink.

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
For

                                                          DITA , I
                                                          suspect that
                                                          we will
                                                          rearchitect
                                                          stuff so that
                                                          the packages
                                                          canbe more
                                                          standalone,
                                                          but we cannot
                                                          do so now and
                                                          maintain
                                                          backward
                                                          compatibility.

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
Kris

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          Sent from my
                                                          iPad

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          On Jun 11,
                                                          2015, at 5:21
                                                          PM, Chet
                                                          Ensign <>

                                                          wrote:

                                                          

                                                          
                                                          

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
Hi

                                                          all - 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
Ok,

                                                          I am going
                                                          through these
                                                          now. Please
                                                          understand
                                                          that I'm not
                                                          trying to be
                                                          arbitrary. I
                                                          am trying to
                                                          enable you to
                                                          get DITA V1.3
                                                          published in a
                                                          form that
                                                          meets your
                                                          preferences
                                                          *and* meets
                                                          the
                                                          requirements
                                                          that I am
                                                          charged with
                                                          ensuring, as
                                                          spelled out in
                                                          https://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/tc-process#specQuality
                                                          and in http://docs.oasis-open.org/specGuidelines/ndr/namingDirectives.html#URIs-Resources 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
If

                                                          you want these
                                                          editions to be
                                                          truly
                                                          stand-alone
                                                          entities with
                                                          their own
                                                          individual
                                                          names,
                                                          high-level
                                                          root addresses
                                                          and not have
                                                          the word
                                                          "Part" in
                                                          their title,
                                                          why not
                                                          re-consider
                                                          publishing
                                                          them as
                                                          separate CSDs.
                                                          We can explain
                                                          and point from
                                                          one to another
                                                          using the
                                                          Related work
                                                          section of the
                                                          cover page,
                                                          the abstract
                                                          and of course
                                                          in the body of
                                                          the content.
                                                          Yes, it does
                                                          of course mean
                                                          separate
                                                          public
                                                          reviews,
                                                          separate
                                                          approval votes
                                                          and the like
                                                          but it avoids
                                                          what you don't
                                                          like about how
                                                          we publish
                                                          multi-part
                                                          specifications. 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
By

                                                          the way, do
                                                          you plan to
                                                          put a
                                                          Conformance
                                                          section in
                                                          each of the
                                                          parts? Or just
                                                          one with the
                                                          all-inclusive?
                                                          The latter
                                                          approach
                                                          should be ok
                                                          given that
                                                          you've said
                                                          the all-in
                                                          piece is
                                                          intended
                                                          mainly for
                                                          product
                                                          vendors. But
                                                          it occurred to
                                                          me this p.m.
                                                          as I was
                                                          looking at the
organization... 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
For

                                                          now though, on
                                                          these... 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
 

                                                          

                                                          
On

                                                          Thu, Jun 11,
                                                          2015 at 4:56
                                                          AM, Kristen
                                                          James Eberlein
                                                          <>

                                                          wrote:

                                                          

                                                          
Based

                                                          on our
                                                          communications
                                                          with Chet,
                                                          here is what I
                                                          think OASIS
                                                          requires --
                                                          Chet, please check this out ASAP and
                                                          ensure that it
                                                          conforms to
                                                          OASIS
                                                          requirements,
                                                          especially in
                                                          regard to
                                                          wording:

                                                          
                                                          
Part

                                                          0: Overview of
                                                          the DITA 1.3
                                                          specification

                                                          
                                                          
                                                          
                                                          
Delivered

                                                          in HTML, PDF,
                                                          and DITA
                                                          source (which
                                                          ideally would
                                                          be for the
                                                          whole darn
                                                          thing: Parts
                                                          0-3 -- But,
                                                          Chet, let us
                                                          know whether
                                                          we need to
                                                          have it be be
                                                          just of part
                                                          0)

                                                          
                                                          
                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
Maybe

                                                          I don't get
                                                          how the DITA
                                                          source is
                                                          supposed to
                                                          work. First,
                                                          the
                                                          requirement
                                                          for HTML, PDF
                                                          and some kind
                                                          of editable
                                                          source is from
                                                          the TC process
                                                          link above. 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
Have

                                                          a look at the
                                                          spread sheet I
                                                          sent yesterday
                                                          again. I
                                                          assumed that
                                                          each of your
                                                          editions has
                                                          its own
                                                          separate DITA
                                                          source. Are
                                                          these somehow
                                                          filtered out
                                                          of some
                                                          complete
                                                          package of
                                                          source content
                                                          so that
                                                          someone
                                                          looking at
                                                          part 2
                                                          technical
                                                          content is
                                                          just looking
                                                          at DITA
                                                          through some
                                                          style sheet
                                                          filter? 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
For

                                                          Part 0, all I
                                                          picture is
                                                          three files
                                                          that live in docs.oasis-open.org/dita/dita/v1.3/csd01/part0-overview/.
                                                          One is HTML,
                                                          one is PDF and
                                                          one is some
                                                          sort of
                                                          editable
                                                          source. The
                                                          document would
                                                          be similar to
                                                          the 1.1
                                                          example - the
                                                          OASIS-maintained

                                                          metadata cover
                                                          and the TC
                                                          authored
                                                          content in the
                                                          body of the
                                                          document after
                                                          the TOC. There
                                                          wouldn't be
                                                          anything else
                                                          in the
                                                          directory,
                                                          certainly not
                                                          the whole darn
                                                          thing. 

                                                          

                                                          
                                                          

                                                          
                                                          
                                                          
Contains

                                                          standard OASIS
                                                          cover page
                                                          info + TOC for
                                                          "1.0
                                                          Introduction
                                                          to DITA"

                                                          
Important:
                                                          The standard
                                                          OASIS cover
                                                          page info MUST
                                                          have detailed
                                                          information
                                                          about why we
                                                          are delivering
                                                          parts 1-3;
                                                          what they are,
                                                          etc. HIGH UP
                                                          on the page.

                                                          
                                                          
                                                          

                                                          
                                                          

                                                          
Whatever

                                                          information
                                                          goes on that
                                                          front page
                                                          must fit in
                                                          format that
                                                          every other
                                                          specification
                                                          at OASIS uses.
                                                          The sequence
                                                          of fields that
                                                          you see on
                                                          every spec is
                                                          the sequence
                                                          that DITA must
                                                          follow. I will
                                                          work with you
                                                          on placing
                                                          more info in
                                                          the Additional
                                                          artifacts or
                                                          the Abstract
                                                          or etc.  

                                                          

                                                          
                                                          

                                                          
                                                          
Part

                                                          1: Base
                                                          edition of the
                                                          DITA 1.3
                                                          specification

                                                          
                                                          

                                                          
                                                          

                                                          
For

                                                          Part 1, I
                                                          picture a
                                                          complete
                                                          collection of
                                                          content for a
                                                          reader to read
                                                          and use,
                                                          starting from
                                                          

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
                                                          

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
                                                          

                                                          

                                                          
                                                          

                                                          

                                                          -- 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          /chet 

----------------

                                                          Chet Ensign

                                                          Director of
                                                          Standards
                                                          Development
                                                          and TC
                                                          Administration 

                                                          OASIS:
                                                          Advancing open
                                                          standards for
                                                          the
                                                          information
                                                          society

                                                          http://www.oasis-open.org

                                                          

                                                          Primary: +1
                                                          973-996-2298

                                                          Mobile: +1
                                                          201-341-1393 

                                                          

                                                          

                                                          

                                                        

                                                      

                                                    
                                                  

                                                

                                              

                                            
                                          

                                          

                                          
                                          

                                          

                                          -- 

                                          

                                            

                                              

                                                

                                                  /chet 

                                                  ----------------

                                                  Chet Ensign

                                                  Director of Standards
                                                  Development and TC
                                                  Administration 

                                                  OASIS: Advancing open
                                                  standards for the
                                                  information society

                                                  http://www.oasis-open.org

                                                  

                                                  Primary: +1
                                                    973-996-2298

                                                  Mobile: +1
                                                    201-341-1393 

                                              

                                            

                                          

                                        

                                      

                                    

                                  
                                

                                

                              

                            

                          

                        
                      

                      

                      
                      

                      

                      -- 

                      

                        

                          

                            

                              /chet 

                              ----------------

                              Chet Ensign

                              Director of Standards Development and TC
                              Administration 

                              OASIS: Advancing open standards for the
                              information society

                              http://www.oasis-open.org

                              

                              Primary: +1
                                973-996-2298

                              Mobile: +1
                                201-341-1393 

                          

                        

                      

                    

                  
                  

                

              

            

          
        

        

        
        

        

        -- 

        

          

            

              

                /chet 

                ----------------

                Chet Ensign

                Director of Standards Development and TC Administration 

                OASIS: Advancing open standards for the information
                society

                http://www.oasis-open.org

                

                Primary: +1 973-996-2298

                Mobile: +1 201-341-1393
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