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        Minutes of the OASIS DITA TC

Tuesday, 18 June 2013

Recorded by N. Harrison

regrets:  Mark Myers, Kristen Eberlein (maybe), Adrian Warman, Thilo Buchholz

Standing Business

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Minutes from last meeting: 

https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201306/msg00072.html (11 June, Harrison) 

Proposed by Don, seconded by DickH, approved by TC

Subcommittee Reports:

	None (Help SC for July 2)

Announcements:

	none

Business

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1. DITA 1.3 progress

   Progress between 10-June-16 June: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201306/msg00062.html (Eberlein)

   Update on current deadlines: http://chris.nitchie.com/trellotrack/#511a73d76ee890a51c0007ed

   Trello Board: https://trello.com/b/gPKH0OcF

Don gave an overview; Eliot submitted a bunch of updates to his proposals just before the meeting. Chris noted that there had been a coupe of past due proposals Mark Myers & MichaelP (13121?) that came in this past week.

Also, the Lightweight DITA proposal was due last weekend, but MichaelP is pulling that out of DITA 1.3 to submit as a profile; he needs to update Trello; MichaelP also noted that he owes 'title in map' (13108)

2. DITA 1.3 proposals, stage 2: http://wiki.oasis-open.org/dita/DITA_1.3_Proposals-stage2

Ready for vote: Voting options are "Yes," "No," "No objections," "I don't understand the proposal," and "I have reservations"

13059a-BranchFilter (Anderson)

Voting Resolts: 

yes:		Anderson, Bissantz, Doherty, Day, Hackos, Hamilton, Harrison, Helfinstine, Hudson, Kimber, Nitchie, Priestley

No Obj.	Magliery  

Proposal approved by TC 

Ready for discussion:

13059: Managing how metadata attribute values cascade and merge (Anderson)

       https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201306/msg00024.html (HTML, uploaded 7 June)

       https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201306/msg00023.html (PDF, uploaded 7 June)

       https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201306/msg00022.html (DITA, uploaded 7 June)

Robert brought us up to date on discussion; this proposal gives authors a way to decide how metadata cascades in a map. Currently @ values merge, this gives authors a way to control behavior by providing 'merge' and 'nomerge' values for metadata @'s. Apps can give even finer control if they wish. The attribute is named @cascase, but he's not attached to that name.

- Eliot; @cascade will apply to all topicref @'s; is it a global choice?

- Robt; It applies to cascading attributes, but not to @toc, @linking or @print

- Eliot; so it applies to all applicability attributes?  That's fine, but what if I just want one attribute to not merge

- Robert; The proposal now has just 2 @s, but the @ is left open for CDATA values so it could be extended.

- Don; what is the behavior for non-normative values?  Apps are expected to support normative values, but ignore non-normative ones, so vendors can choose to extend but don't need to. The question is from the content-sharing POV, sharing content between companies. using different tools, so values would be ignored.

- Eliot; I'd like to allow a token @ name syntax, since it seems fairly high utility.

- Chris; I agree, once you have global case, it shouldn't be too hard from the processor end.

- Robert; I think people would like to have 'merge' and 'no-merge' in a selective way as part of the proposal, it will be a widely requested case.

- Chris; It may be OK as is; PTC did it their way because you couldn't have OOTB @s merge, so we specified new conditional @s that had specifically diff. behavior. 

- Eliot; If neither IBM nor PTC really needed that kind of extension, the proposal may not need it either.

- There was some continued discussion on interchange implications, but the general sense of the TC was to 'leave well enough alone' wrt theh proposal.

Resolution; TC will vote on this next week

3. DITA 1.3 proposals, stage 3: https://wiki.oasis-open.org/dita/DITA_1.3_Proposals-stage3

Reviewer Package for TechComm SC Stage 3 Proposals 13086, 13096, and 13098

    TechComm SC Stage 3: Proposals 13086, 13096, and 13098 (DITA) uploaded

    https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201306/msg00042.html (DITA)

    https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201306/msg00043.html (PDF) 

Resolution; vote on this next week

Ready to assign reviewers

	13114 (need 'rev' attribute to title) needs reviewers

Joann; do we need to add @rev to , etc as well?

Robert; I don't see a problem with doing so, leaving it out was more of an oversight.  The processing isn't an issue. In my opinion, the proposal doesn't need it, but I wouldn't object to it either.

Reviewers were assigned: Don, Stan, 

In review:

    13111: MathML domain(Owner: Kimber; Reviewers: Anderson and Hamilton; reviewers assigned on 28 May 2013)

    13023: New 
 element (Owner: Kimber; Reviewers: Doherty & Day; reviewers assigned on 14 May 2013)

    13027: Allow  in more places (Owner: Kimber; Reviewers: Harrison & Tivy; reviewers assigned on 14 May 2013)

    13029: Allow  in more places (Owner: Kimber; Reviewers: Day & Hamilton; reviewers assigned on 14 May 2013)

    13089: learningObjectMap and learningGroupMap (Owner: Myers; Reviewers: Kimber & Hudson; reviewers assigned on ?) 

- Don noted that in general, it's important for proposal owners to drive the review; 

- Kris; That's definitely how it should be; owners contact reviewers when things are updated. 

- Don; So as items get reviewed and are then submitted for next stage, we'll just remove them from this list 

Ready for Discussion;

13107: Refined scope and format defaults (Nitchie)

       https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201306/msg00032.html (DITA, uploaded 10 June)

       https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201306/msg00033.html (HTML, uploaded 10 June) 

Chris gave an update on this proposal; for Stage 3, there are 2 topics being updated and updated language to give more help to vendors and processors; see new topics.  The goal is to minimize the necessity for using @scope and @format, by setting up required defaults; that's done by making requirements of processors.

- Don; any questions?

- Kris; A lot of people out there writing topics will appreciate this

Resolution; vote next week

Ready for vote: Voting options are "Yes," "No," and "Abstain"

        None today 

4. NEW ITEM: Error in the DITA 1.2 spec: Strict task topic

   https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201306/msg00044.html (Eberlein)

    Just ensure this is logged as a doc fix item 

[this is logged; remove from future agendaa]

5. ELIOT's Pick-A-Proposal list (to be categorized into future agendas):

Proposal 13024: Meaningful Values for @type on xref

     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201306/msg00051.html 

Proposal 13042: @objid Attribute

     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201306/msg00052.html 

Proposal 13103 Replace @print uploaded

     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201306/msg00057.html (DITA

     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201306/msg00058.html (PDF)

     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201306/msg00059.html (HTML)

     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201306/msg00060.html (Toolkit plugin) 

Proposal 13105 Data in List

     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201306/msg00067.html (DITA)

     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201306/msg00068.html (HTML)

     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201306/msg00069.html (PDF) 

Proposal 13105: Allow  in lists

     Stage 2: allows [data> and [data-about> to occur as optional and repeatable first children of all lists

      https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201306/msg00070.html 

Proposal 13104 @keyref on 

      https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201306/msg00074.html (DITA)

      https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201306/msg00075.html (HTML)

      https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201306/msg00076.html (PDF) 

Proposal 13104: Add keyrefs to  and 

        Stage 2:

      https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201306/msg00077.html 

6. ITEM: Improved Table Accessibility submission for Stage 1

   https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201305/msg00091.html (Hudson, 28 May)

    Note: Follows from this previous discussion:

   https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201303/msg00085.html (Hudson, 29 March) 

TC resumed discussion of this; the main issue with the use of the element . 

Robert; We don't need to solve this for stage 1.

Kris; We're all in favor of accessibility, just not sure about this particular model

Robert; That's my sense; it will be a serious issues at stage 2 for it to move forward

Scott; I think i can address this;

Don moved to accept proposal for stage 1, seconded by Nancy, approved by TC.

Resolution; accepted as Stage 1, Scott will arrange for assigning a proposal number.

7. NEW ITEM: Integrating the W3C ITS locNote into DITA 1.3: Options

   https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201306/msg00021.html (Jirka Josek, 6 June) 

[closed by virtue of 1.3 not taking any more proposals]

8. NEW ITEM: Proposing a database domain for DITA

   https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita-comment/201306/msg00000.html (Steve Fogel, Oracle, June 5) 

[closed by virtue of 1.3 not taking any more proposals]

9. Continuing item: DITA TC processes for creating OASIS-branded documents/Contains and Contains By tables

  Update from Robert Anderson, Mark Meyers, and others who participated in offline discussion?

  "Chunked" spec packages will require different versions of the tables for each package ... 

closed at 11:55

        

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