Re: [dita] problem with packaging of glossaries

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Jristen Dberlein <>
Date
2009-09-03T17:47:00+00:00
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Re: [dita] problem with packaging of glossaries
Su-Laine, thanks for continuing to think about
this. I was operating under the following assumptions:



  We need to separate the elements in the base
and technical packages.
  We do not want to change any current
grouping of elements, for example, "Miscellaneous elements"


My TOC prototypes definitely reflect those
assumptions. Michael, can you offer a reality check about those
assumptions?


Kris


Su-Laine Yeo wrote:

  
  

  
  
  Hi everyone,
  
  As I promised on Tuesday, here is a
suggestion for the
organization of the language reference. The numbers below are the ones
we're
using for DITA 1.1 (http://docs.oasis-open.org/dita/v1.1/CD02/langspec/ditaref-type.html).
Items without numbers are new for DITA 1.2. 
  
  I will probably have some suggestions later
to rename some
of these items, but I’d rather not mix up a discussion on renaming with
a discussion
on organization. What do you think of this organization?
  
  Cheers,
  Su-Laine
  
  
  Su-Laine Yeo
  Interaction Design Specialist 
  JustSystems Canada, Inc.
  Office: 778-327-6356 
  
  www.justsystems.com 
  
  
  
  --------------------------------------------------------------------
  == Topic elements==
  2.0 Topic elements (rename this, e.g. to
"topic structural
elements")
  7.0 Body elements
  8.0 Table elements
  10.0 Related links elements
  13.0 Typographic domain elements
  17.0 Utilities domain elements
  
  ==Elements for specific topic types==
  3.0 Concept elements
  4.0 Reference elements
  5.0 Task elements
  Glossary related elements
  
  ==Map and bookmap elements==
  19.0 Map elements
  20.0 Map group elements
  21.0 Bookmap content elements
  22.0 Bookmap metadata elements
  
  ==Metadata elements==
  9.0 Prolog elements
  18.0 Indexing group elements
  Classification domain elements
  23.0 xNAL domain elements
  Conref delayed resolution elements
  
  ==Industry-specific elements==
  14.0 Programming elements
  15.0 Software elements
  16.0 User interface elements
  Hazard statement elements
  Machine industry task elements
  
  ==12.0 Specialization elements==
  
  
  ==Elements external to content==
  Subject scheme map elements
  24.0 DITAVAL elements
  
  ---------------------------------------------------
  I suggest eliminating the "Miscellaneous
elements" group by putting these elements into meaningful categories:
  
  Topic elements:
     11.01 dita 
  
  Metadata elements:
      11.02 draft-comment
      11.04 indexterm
      11.05 indextermref
      11.06 index-base
  
  Body elements:
      11.03 fn
      11.07 tm
  
  Specialization elements
      11.08 data-about
      11.09 data
      11.10 foreign
      11.11 unknown
  
  
  
  
  
  
  From:
Kristen James Eberlein
[mailto:]

  Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 6:51 AM

  To: Michael Priestley

  Cc: DITA TC

  Subject: Re: [dita] Order for lang ref files (Was "Re: [dita]
problem with packaging of glossaries")
  
  
  
  Here are some prototypes for discussion:


Base: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dita/download.php/34012/base-langRef.gif

Technical Content: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dita/download.php/34011/technicalContent-LangRef.gif


Best,


Kris


Michael Priestley wrote: 
  

  Hi
Kris,


  Maybe
something
like:


  Topic
elements

     
    Prolog elements

     
    Body elements

     
    Related-link elements        

  Map
elements

     
    Basic map elements

     
    Mapgroup domain elements

     
    Subject scheme elements

  Shared
elements

     
    Indexing elements

     
    etc.

  DITAVAL
elements



  I
know I
haven't captured everything - but the basic thought would be to
organize
primarily around topic vs map etc., and then within that distinction
organize
by order within the doctype (when possible), or by general-to-specific
or
most-used to least-used (when there is no doctype order).


  If
we were just
laying out all elements, then alpha order would make sense. But once we
add
groupings, then the groupings aren't really useful in alpha order -
they aren't
things users are looking up because they know about them, but things
that add
meaning to the structure for users who don't know what they're looking
for. So
the more meaning we can pack into the order the better.


  Michael
Priestley, Senior Technical Staff Member (STSM)

Lead IBM DITA Architect

  

  http://dita.xml.org/blog/25


  
  
    
      
        
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Obviously, the files are currently sorted alphabetically. Do you have
an
alternative that you would favor?


Best,


Kris


Michael Priestley wrote:

  

Some potential users of the base package: 

- people creating tools that work with simple content applications with
minimal
structure, like unstructured blogs, news feeds, web page components...
  

- people who would otherwise not read the spec because it's too big,
and can
now be seduced into reading just the first part, which provides a
context that
makes the rest less intimidating

  

Re the organization below - I'm not sure about the order but the split
looks
right.

  

Thanks for making this discussion concrete.

  

Michael Priestley, Senior Technical Staff Member (STSM)

Lead IBM DITA Architect 

  

  http://dita.xml.org/blog/25
  
  
    
      
        
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Two key issues: 

1.        Who do we anticipate being the potential
users of the base package? 

2.        Michael, I want you to look at the current
contents of the language reference material for both the base and
technical
content version. Is this as you have been envisioning it?



Best,


Kris