RE: [dita] Revised content model options for #12011 - Generic Task Type

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Sroy Llukewich
Date
2008-11-13T16:45:56+00:00
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RE: [dita] Revised content model options for #12011 - Generic Task Type
Hi:

I have some thoughts and observations on the process versus task distinction, at least from my own history and bias.

On a previous, pre-DITA implementation using structured principles and XML, we found that there was a clear semantic difference between process and task descriptions. Basically, in the legacy we found an incredible number of pseudo-procedures masquerading as tasks, which no one could actually perform on their own. After the conversion, we made a clear distinction between high level processes that do no describe discrete, literal steps and tasks, which do.

So, a process might be (off the top of my head):

Creating a database

1. Drop a connection component on the design surface
2. Connect to a data source
3. Configure the data adapter

In the old doc, that would be it. Writers thought they had written a "task." It looks like a task, right? But when we analyzed the actual steps involved in this apparently simple process, there were at least 15 discrete steps involved, any one of which would prevent success if not done properly.

In this particular case, we received numerous support calls because customers could not in fact build a database application following our old instructions. When we separated out high level processes from tasks, adding literal steps where needed, the support calls for this issue vanished.

So, personally, I like to make a hard distinction between processes and tasks. There is a place for both, but I do not like mixing them together, especially in a mission critical context. Ideally, all high level processes map to more detailed tasks, which articulate the actual steps, including case scenarios with sample data in steps for otherwise abstract, generic processes.

In particular, I like a model where the process items map to task headings to articulate the step details involved. For more complicated processes that involve a huge number of steps, there is inevitably a break-out into distinct sequences, perhaps by screen, object, table, or even an entire application in a multi-application process. I personally cannot stand gigantic tasks that have twenty-plus sequential steps. They get tedious to follow and the eye begins to swim. A process overview is needed in these cases and the steps should be broken out into related tasks, each heading mapping back to a point in the process overiew.

Here's the kicker. While I believe that task steps should always be constrained in a task topic with a specified output, I do not believe that processes should be constrained to task topics, as I can see a conceptual discussion around high level processes in conceptual topics as a typical application in enterprise doc. 

On the other hand, complicated tasks may well require a short process overview in the task itself, assuming that multiple task headings are contained in one file, which I generally avoid unless the tasks are distinctly related (perhaps in a case scenario with sample data). This approach is similar to the classic thesis approach in essay writing where the author would traditionally outline major points in a preceding paragraph before delving into the (massive) details within the essay itself. (General to specific.)

While it seems that the process element was created for a number of reasons, this is how I would implement it myself. I would rather use a process element than say, an unordered list for a generic process, as there is semantic relationship to tasks that is worth tracking and keeping separate from the plethora of other unordered lists that do not describe processes.

Troy Klukewich
Information Architect
Oracle

 

From JoAnn Hackos <>

Sent Thu 11/13/2008 5:53 AM

To Bob Thomas <>; Michael Priestley <>

Cc 

Subject RE: [dita] Revised content model options for #12011 - Generic Task Type

Hi Bob,

I tend to agree with you. I cannot find any rationale in 
the memos (so far) for the <process> alternative in task. I can't think of 
what it's supposed to handle that cannot already be handled by steps or 
steps-unordered. Haven't heard back from Alan Houser, however, who originally 
proposed it. 

 

Michael is also checking the email 
archives.

 

I'd be in favor of your proposal to chuck it at this point. 
I think it just creates confusion for authors.

 

Regards,

JoAnn

 

JoAnn T. Hackos, PhD
President
Comtech Services, 
Inc.
710 Kipling 
Street, Suite 400
Denver CO 80215
303-232-7586


 

 

From: Bob Thomas 
[mailto:] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 
1:02 PM
To: JoAnn Hackos; Michael Priestley
Cc: 

Subject: RE: [dita] Revised content model 
options for #12011 - Generic Task Type

  
  

    Please pardon my intrusion (I'm a TC observer). I have a 
      couple of objections to adding 'process' as specified in 
      #12011.

There really needs to be a rationale for this that includes 
      the semantic intent for 'process'. If allowing 'ol' and 'ul' inside of 
      'task' is the only rationale, then you would be better off adding 
      'section' to 'taskbody'. In any event, I would rather do 
      neither.

My other objection is a bit more fundamental. In 
      Information Mapping®, process is considered to be an information type just 
      like concept or task (procedure). While I do not think that the TC 
      necessarily needs to honor that distinction, it ought not to lightly 
      dismiss it. The notion of process as an information type suggests that a 
      section-level implementation of 'process' in DITA would be inappropriate. 
      If the TC goes ahead and implements 'process', as proposed in #12011, it 
      would preclude anybody else from creating a topic-level specialization for 
      process.

In the Information Mapping® compatible DTD that I worked 
      on 10 years ago, the content model for process was quite similar to the 
      one for procedure (task); the key difference being that a process had 
      'stage' elements rather than 'step' elements.

Regards,

Bob 
      Thomas 
President
Tagsmiths, LLC
+1 720 201 8260 

--- On Wed, 11/12/08, 
      Michael Priestley <> wrote:

      From: 
        Michael Priestley <>
Subject: RE: [dita] 
        Revised content model options for #12011 - Generic Task Type
To: 
        "JoAnn Hackos" <>
Cc: 
        
Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 11:00 
        AM

        

Hi JoAnn, 
        

The rationale below is to allow 
        <ol> and <ul> into taskbody. In other words, if someone 
        wants to create a task with a simple <ol> instead of the more 
        prescriptive <steps>, the <process> element allows them to 
        do so. 

Michael Priestley, 
        Senior Technical Staff Member (STSM)
Lead IBM DITA Architect 
        

http://dita.xml.org/blog/25 
        

        
          
          

            "JoAnn Hackos" 
              <> 
              
11/12/2008 12:06 PM 

            
              
                
                

                  
                    
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Hi Michael, 
The email from Alan provides no rationale for the 
        <process>, just shows the syntax. Let me know if any of the 
        minutes show the rationale or any examples. I’ve written Alan but 
        haven’t received a response as yet. 
  
JoAnn 
  
JoAnn Hackos PhD 
President 
Comtech Services, Inc. 
 
Skype joannhackos 
        
  
        

        
        

From: Michael Priestley 
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Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 
        9:22 AM
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        [dita] Revised content model options for #12011 - Generic Task 
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Re discussion today about elements 
        in general task - found this, which provides a bit of background on 
        process - will check meeting minutes from around this time. 

Michael Priestley, Senior Technical Staff Member 
        (STSM)
Lead IBM DITA Architect 
        

http://dita.xml.org/blog/25 
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        Priestley/Toronto/IBM on 11/11/2008 11:21 AM ----- 
        

        
          
          

            Alan Houser 
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12/11/2007 11:01 AM 

            

              
                
                

                  
                    
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I submit this message for possible discussion at today's 
        
(11-December-2007) DITA TC meeting. Below is a summary of proposed 
        
content models that will support proposal #12011 -- Generic Task 
        Type. 
These content models are the result of recent discussion on 
        the DITA TC 
list.

-Alan
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Summary:
- 
        Optional, repeatable <note> allowed before <cmd>
- 
        <taskbody> allows only a single <steps> element
- New 
        <process> element to permit <ol>/<ul> constructions in 
        <taskbody>

Proposed content 
        models:
taskbody:
(prereq?,
context?,
(steps | 
        steps-unordered | 
        process),
result?,
example?,
postreq?)
(Issue: allow 
        <section> before and after 
        <steps>?)

steps/steps-unordered:
Support <section> 
        between steps:
(section?, step)+

step:
Support optional, 
        repeatable <note> before cmd:
(note*,
cmd,
(info | 
        substeps | tutorialinfo | stepxmp |  choicetable | 
        choices)*,
stepresult?)
Issue: allow <itemgroup> in 
        <step>?

process:
(section?, (ol | ul))+
Issue: this 
        would allow multiple ol/ul 
        elements.

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