RE: [dita] DITA 1.1 issue 20: Extensible metadata attributes

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RE: [dita] DITA 1.1 issue 20: Extensible metadata attributes
A 
third alternative would be to externalize the metadata values during 
generalization so that a single attribute such as otherprops doesn't have 
to carry around a huge burden of additional data.

 

If it 
were practical to support in editing and storage tools, the architecture 
could make an external metadata database a permanent feature. Metadata would be 
externally referenced in ordinary instances as well as during 
processing.

 

Best 
wishes,

 

Bruce 
Esrig

 

==============

 

Train 
of thought ...

 

How 
much metadata is there? A many-to-one mapping of attribute values would run a 
risk of overflow if there are any limits on the size of an attribute 
value.

 

The 
values for some metadata attributes may be large. It's conceivable that 
some would choose to represent a product hierarchy in a single value, by 
providing internal punctuation to delimit a cascade of category and subcategory 
names. Also, there may be a lot of metadata attributes. We have around 20 
metadata attributes on a short list, and more on a wish list. The limitation is 
that we're not sure we can populate a meaningful proportion of the 
values.

 

If 
there are limits on the total size of attribute values, then a many-to-one 
mapping would not impose a radical new limitation. Also, if very few values are 
large, combining them might still work.

 

A 
third alternative is to externalize the metadata. A method of indirection 
could be defined for retrieving the metadata for an element. This would work 
provided that metadata dereferencing does not become a burden. To search on the 
metadata, it would be necessary to maintain a normalized version that 
dereferences the metadata or else search the metadata in the external 
location and trace back to the element from any results 
that match.

  
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Priestley 
  [mailto:]
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 9:17 
  PM
To: Paul Grosso
Cc: DITA TC list
Subject: RE: 
  [dita] DITA 1.1 issue 20: Extensible metadata 
  attributes

One of the 
  issues is how to preserve the attribute values during generalization, and 
  potentially during respecialization as well. For new elements, you can 
  generalize and respecialize by preserving ancestry in the class attribute. 
   Another issue is how to compare allowed metadata during conref: for 
  example, to ensure that you are not pulling content with metadata into a topic 
  where that metadata is invalid. 

A 
  possible solution could be to store the metadata attribute values in the 
  otherprops attribute during generalization, and track which metadata 
  attributes are in use by adding the names of the attributes to the list of 
  used domains (in the domains attribute). 

For example: 

original: 
<topic id="blat" 
  domains="(topic ui-d) a(otherprops proglang)"> 
... 
<p 
  proglang="Java">...</p> 
</topic> 

generalized 
  (with roundtripping intent): 
<topic 
  id="blat" domains="(topic ui-d) a(otherprops proglang)"> 
... 
<p 
  otherprops="proglang(Java)">...</p> 
</topic> 

Michael 
  Priestley
 

  
    
    

      "Paul Grosso" 
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06/01/2005 06:24 PM 

      
        
          
          

            
              
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I haven't thought a lot about this yet, but I was having
a 
  discussion with some of our developers today who also
felt the need for 
  extensible metadata attributes, and 
they felt the right way to do it was 
  to have a separate
namespace for metadata attributes.  

Then 
  the DITA schema could allow any attribute in
that namespace on any element, 
  so it would be easy 
to add "profiling" attributes or other 
  metadata.

paul 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 
  Christopher Wong [mailto:] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 01 
  June, 2005 17:15
> To: DITA TC list
> Subject: [dita] DITA 1.1 
  issue 20: Extensible metadata attributes
> 
> Could I get an idea 
  from our XML gurus how this could be 
> achieved in a 
> 
  compatible manner? The issues list does not quite have a lot 
> of 
  details.