Re: [cti-stix] Re: [EXT] Re: [cti-stix] Re: Update links

We do not want to hide or delete the STIX 1.x document.  It just should not have primary focus or visibility.  

What does everyone else in the TC think?  Jason and I think we should make a change, Greg does not see a reason for a change.   

Bret

From:  <> on behalf of Jason Keirstead <>

Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 12:47:54 PM

To: Back, Greg

Cc: Bret Jordan; ; 

Subject: Re: [cti-stix] Re: [EXT] Re: [cti-stix] Re: Update links

 

I don't think anyone wants to hide or obfuscate the 1.X documentation.... just suggesting to make 2.0 the primary site and 1.X the secondary, whereas today, it is vice-versa.

The problem is, if you go to google and type in "STIX",
stixproject.github.io is the #1 hit. Meanwhile the OASIS site is not even in the first 5 pages, which basically means it might as well not exist to much of the internet.

Solving the page-rank problem might take a long time, meanwhile, a redirect is totally in our control...

-

Jason Keirstead

STSM, Product Architect, Security Intelligence, IBM Security Systems

www.ibm.com/security

"Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle." - Unknown

From:        "Back, Greg" <>

To:        Bret Jordan <>, Jason Keirstead <>, "" <>

Cc:        "" <>

Date:        01/22/2018 03:42 PM

Subject:        [cti-stix] Re: [EXT] Re: [cti-stix] Re: Update links

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I don't think we should assume that just because STIX 2.0 exists that no one needs STIX 1.x documentation. I certainly agree that we want people who end up at stixproject.github.io to know that STIX 2.0 exists, and I think it does
 that well enough (the red banner is on every page of the site). There may also be lawyerly reasons why we can't just migrate the current content on stixproject.github.io to the cti-documentation site.

 

In summary, I'm not seeing a compelling reason to change anything on stixproject.github.io. Duncan made a PR to cti-documentation, which I accepted.

 

Thanks,

Greg

 

 

On 2018-01-21, 19:48, "Bret Jordan" <> wrote:

 

Yes, I agree. The base project of STIXProject.github.io should be for the new STIX and TAXII 2.x content.  The old STIX and TAXII 1.x should be "archived" away.  

 

Bret

From: Jason Keirstead <>

Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 3:37:07 PM

To: 

Cc: Bret Jordan; Back, Greg; 

Subject: [EXT] Re: [cti-stix] Re: Update links 

 

One thing we should consider IMO is making the root URL of
stixproject.github.iosimply
 do a full redirect, and move the current index to a /stix1 URL or something. 

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[cti-stix] Re: Update links

 

Bret,

It does; thank you. Your first link is where I eventually found it. I say eventually because I didn't have your email yet, but after google search failed, I did try searching for STIX on OASIS site which surprisingly also failed
 (throws an error, I have informed OASIS) so I went to CTI TC site and got to your first link.

 

Your second link is the one I was complaining about needing to be updated.  Greg's reply showed me how I could fix it myself which hopefully I'll get around to doing that.

 

I didn't have the latter two links you provided, so I appreciate getting those.

 

Thanks again.

 

Duncan Sparrell

sFractal Consulting LLC

iPhone, iTypo, iApologize

 

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Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: [cti-stix] Update links

From: Bret Jordan <>

Date: Fri, January 19, 2018 10:31 am

To: "Back, Greg" <>, Duncan <>,

"" <>

Duncan,

 

I believe you can find this content you are looking for via the OASIS site, url below, in section "Technical Work Produced by the Committee"

https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/cti/

 

We also have this site:

https://oasis-open.github.io/cti-documentation/

 

John Wunder did this site:

https://johnwunder.github.io/stix2-docs/?json#introduction

 

And here is a TC list of all of the documents that are approved or being worked on by the TC:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yvqWaPPnPW-2NiVCLqzRszcx91ffMowfT5MmE9Nsy_w/edit#heading=h.8bbhgdisbmt

 

Please let me know if this helps.

 

Bret

From: <>
 on behalf of Back, Greg <>

Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 8:12:37 AM

To: Duncan; 

Subject: [EXT] Re: [cti-stix] Update links

 

Yes, Duncan, you're absolutely right.  I noticed this a couple months ago and created
https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/Lb52_OlbMkRuWQXcTdX95IDscajQ6wFTfvGCTl6Ep7s=?d=81r6jUm3z4KlQkgBPmDAOGKjxS5hLbmG839uwZ96AbInzC0d72svKcJY7qKdwOf5GlM8RacryX8T860ejrYDrLU6P0-lMA73wqISDqDQ5H0fby7PYlp-rJVETKLwJfsuVlIBl6sMWsLW6YdbQQ61fW60XYWJ0SWB76t3HbFq6UMHY9MH_V8Fg10p5fFFc9Mqd_6GYKBZj7x9g_6b13kPRXdBTEF2rWgcJ1EyHzqEcRbJCRFWxuJqq6LRmV_HlZCJetJG0pAN0P6C3KtYSGszuRA0GPZEmBsAqF5e_JP1GY06nXex04lvlG_pDBrjRNg6GA3tjImq8am1NPUyJ-BwCrl5uqxqwt6MGSD3tfcSCPAQAWSAnTv3LmvoMGDKGXNesKKdI7ZtX1udhOODsb4IH5xEvnIlop3_Pf2e5qP_jA%3D%3D&u=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Foasis-open%2Fcti-documentation%2Fissues%2F47.
 We haven't had a chance to fix it, but if you're interested, I'd gladly merge a Pull Request that makes that change.

 

In terms of OASIS and SEO, I'd want to get more information/advice from OASIS staff, but I'm happy to help implement anything on the documentation site based on their suggestions.

 

Thanks,

Greg

 

 

On 2018-01-19, 08:18, " behalf
 of Duncan" < behalf of
> wrote:

 

Apologies if this is already on a to-do list or if it opens a can of worms already argued and resolved.

I went to go look something up in STIX on a device I don’t normally use so had to find it ‘from scratch’.

I google searched and all the top items were ads from STIX vendors, which may be a good thing but from OASIS viewpoint you may want to consider doing something to get moved up the list when people actually want to find the standard.

 

I clicked on the highest non-vendor link and ended up on the ‘old’ site from which I clicked on the reference to STIX 2.0 and got to

https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/f2ekh5aJbKNwXIYgLz4PDhrk2T8yTxf6pCmD-2x2W4w=?d=81r6jUm3z4KlQkgBPmDAOGKjxS5hLbmG839uwZ96AbInzC0d72svKcJY7qKdwOf5GlM8RacryX8T860ejrYDrLU6P0-lMA73wqISDqDQ5H0fby7PYlp-rJVETKLwJfsuVlIBl6sMWsLW6YdbQQ61fW60XYWJ0SWB76t3HbFq6UMHY9MH_V8Fg10p5fFFc9Mqd_6GYKBZj7x9g_6b13kPRXdBTEF2rWgcJ1EyHzqEcRbJCRFWxuJqq6LRmV_HlZCJetJG0pAN0P6C3KtYSGszuRA0GPZEmBsAqF5e_JP1GY06nXex04lvlG_pDBrjRNg6GA3tjImq8am1NPUyJ-BwCrl5uqxqwt6MGSD3tfcSCPAQAWSAnTv3LmvoMGDKGXNesKKdI7ZtX1udhOODsb4IH5xEvnIlop3_Pf2e5qP_jA%3D%3D&u=https%3A%2F%2Foasis-open.github.io%2Fcti-documentation%2F

which is under the control of this mailing list. From there I clicked to

https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/w4rMfGTwVq_zirZR4moG-NPlU8cs6PpGLmGv0K2p7-k=?d=81r6jUm3z4KlQkgBPmDAOGKjxS5hLbmG839uwZ96AbInzC0d72svKcJY7qKdwOf5GlM8RacryX8T860ejrYDrLU6P0-lMA73wqISDqDQ5H0fby7PYlp-rJVETKLwJfsuVlIBl6sMWsLW6YdbQQ61fW60XYWJ0SWB76t3HbFq6UMHY9MH_V8Fg10p5fFFc9Mqd_6GYKBZj7x9g_6b13kPRXdBTEF2rWgcJ1EyHzqEcRbJCRFWxuJqq6LRmV_HlZCJetJG0pAN0P6C3KtYSGszuRA0GPZEmBsAqF5e_JP1GY06nXex04lvlG_pDBrjRNg6GA3tjImq8am1NPUyJ-BwCrl5uqxqwt6MGSD3tfcSCPAQAWSAnTv3LmvoMGDKGXNesKKdI7ZtX1udhOODsb4IH5xEvnIlop3_Pf2e5qP_jA%3D%3D&u=https%3A%2F%2Foasis-open.github.io%2Fcti-documentation%2Fresources%23stix-20-specification

 which purports to be the STIX 2.0 Specification but brings me to a google doc which is a working doc.

 

Shouldn’t it bring me to the now approved Spec instead of a working doc?

 

iPhone, iTypo, iApologize

 

Duncan Sparrell

sFractal Consulting, LLC

The closer you look, the more you see

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